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09-21-2022, 04:14 PM | #61 |
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But even if the mere existence of the factories somehow equaled some magical cost-savings for Hasbro, what's their incentive for selling Joe o-rings for less than their competitors? If you're already paying $$$ for a bunch of no-name Kickstarter o-rings, doesn't it follow that you'd pay just as much for GI fucking JOE - the gold standard?! |
09-21-2022, 04:31 PM | #62 |
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the fact that they already have "crowdfunded" retail stores to sell their product, means they can sell more, and they can offer them at a lower price than the independent creators.
hasbro also has 40 years of business relationships with these factories. independent creators do not. these independent creators arent schmoozing (excuse me, crowdfunding) with walmart buyers and it's not easy for them to get a factory to make their figures. hasbro can say "you know what? im going to take it over to this factory we also have a connection to instead because they can make these even cheaper." "you know what? target will buy this stupid snake eyes figure since you wont." you're telling me things how manufacturing companies, supply chain, and toy makers work like no one has any idea. hasbro has the means to sell their o-ring figures for less, they just choose not to. just the same for them raising their star wars vintage collection figures a dollar just because the wind blew one direction that morning - because paint apps arent a valid excuse anymore. |
09-21-2022, 04:36 PM | #63 |
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also, 1997 wasnt the end of traditional o-ring figures. it was just the end of that style gijoe for..checks notes...3 years. hasbro had been floundering on gijoe up to 1994 because they kept throwing stupid gimmicks on to it and making bad decisions and taking the wrong solution from their mistakes.
and look at where we are. the traditional o ring gijoe was cancelled the first time by hasbro in 1994, and yet, it's been brought back three times since. to say "no one wants it" and then to bring it back almost a handful of times, and it STILL SELL (not even counting people getting independent o-ring action figures), says contrary to their "no one wants o-ring gijoes" nonsense. (hasbro deth of the line was 1994, then brought back 3 years later, then deth, then brought back another 3 years later, then they made new sculpt o-ring figures, then deth, and now we're back again but for 2-3x the price they were brought back in two pack form) Last edited by THEDARKONE508; 09-21-2022 at 04:42 PM.. |
09-21-2022, 04:55 PM | #64 |
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And 1997 was the beginning of the end for traditional o-rings at retail. They were certainly right about the big box stores not wanting them anymore.
Hasbro doesn't own the factories. Why wouldn't Hasbro get charged at least the same amount to make o-rings as any smaller, independent company does, if not more? But even if the mere existence of the factories somehow equaled some magical cost-savings for Hasbro, what's their incentive for selling Joe o-rings for less than their competitors? If you're already paying $$$ for a bunch of no-name Kickstarter o-rings, doesn't it follow that you'd pay just as much for GI fucking JOE - the gold standard?! Does anyone think the Deluxe Boba Fett is on par with, say, a BFS Knight of Accord? The second reason is, despite people suggesting otherwise, consumers and producers do have a symbiotic relationship, and that relationship is built on some type of trust. When that trust is healthy, we tend to lend leeway to Hasbro when they raise prices by a dollar. Conversely, when that trust is sick, and they produce sub-par products at ever increasing prices, we are less inclined to accept price increases. Hasbro's Factory and retail space access means they can move more units and thusly, can make more money, even at a lower cost. I don't know when that was no longer an incentive for Hasbro, and the new method is to take as much money up front. Obviously, not only has the popularity of action figures dwindled, but retail has changed significantly, as well, and I accept all of that. So, if you want me to pay what you're asking, you need to fucking deliver. Sorry, charging me three dollars more for TVC and pumping out slightly paint altered repack after repack is not building healthy trust. All the lies and moving goal posts Hasbro has lobbied over the last decade have not built a healthy trust. So, yeah, asking $350 for a fucking 1:12 car is a bit fucking insane.
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09-21-2022, 07:20 PM | #65 |
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these independent creators arent schmoozing (excuse me, crowdfunding) with walmart buyers and it's not easy for them to get a factory to make their figures. hasbro can say "you know what? im going to take it over to this factory we also have a connection to instead because they can make these even cheaper." "you know what? target will buy this stupid snake eyes figure since you wont."
I only mention those things to support my argument. But if you know all that stuff too, then perhaps you can explain exactly how Hasbro can make their figures cheaper without the economies of scale that result from making larger quantities? |
09-21-2022, 08:09 PM | #67 |
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Except I didn't?
Hasbro decided to cancel the line. It was doing just fine during the valor vs venom and spy troops period. Mid way they decided that they want to do sigma six instead. After taking it to direct to consumer, inexplicably. I didnt specify o-rings when i said hasbro could go take a product to target. I highly doubt hasbro even brought the o-ring line to retailers to "crowd fund". Axon rey explained where I'm coming from pretty well. In fact your last sentence is another reason among many how hasbro has more leverage with a factory than an independent Kickstarter campaign being that they can cover the economy of scale that independent companies cannot. Last edited by THEDARKONE508; 09-21-2022 at 08:31 PM.. |
09-21-2022, 09:15 PM | #68 |
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Saw someone pointed out elsewhere, that for the price of this haslab, you could buy 14 Legends/Black Series/Classified figures. And that's at the new inflated $25 price. 17/18 figures at the old price. Or about 27 SW TVC figures. Lol
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09-21-2022, 10:50 PM | #69 |
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Still trying to understand why people are comparing the prices of mass-produced items to limited-run products. Other than branding, they are not even remotely the same.
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09-22-2022, 10:55 AM | #70 |
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No, you're right. Highly successful, in-demand toylines die retail deaths multiple times over a decade.
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I asked specifically how Hasbro can leverage economies of scale to reduce prices WITHOUT increasing the production quantities on the o-ring products. You still haven't answered that. |
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