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06-06-2009, 07:41 AM | #201 |
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But we rank 1st in men's swimming, bitches!
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06-06-2009, 07:53 AM | #202 |
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Isreal's pretty well off, actually... it's just the constant attacks on the West Bank. But otherwise they'd have to have a good health care system to stave off all the terrorist bombings.
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06-06-2009, 08:39 AM | #203 |
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WOOOOOOOOO eat it, Slovenia!
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06-06-2009, 08:41 AM | #204 |
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Please click on link to see how GREAT the French health care system was during the 2003 heat wave:
France: Heat wave catastrophe exposes health care crisis |
06-06-2009, 08:50 AM | #205 |
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Please follow link to see how GREAT the british national health care is:
Life prolonging cancer drugs to be banned because they cost too much | Mail Online |
06-06-2009, 09:19 AM | #206 |
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I don't know if this has been mentioned, but note that Canada doesn't do much better than the US, and we (Canucks) seem to be the most frequent comparison.
Most other OECD countries have a _mix_ of private and public. In those countries everyone is covered, one way or another, but you can buy your own insurance. Both US and Canada could probably benefit by moving to a mixed system. |
06-06-2009, 09:27 AM | #207 |
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Universal health care would be a improvement over what we have now. Not to mention a complete overhaul of our medical system would be nice.
About a week ago, I went with a friend to the hospital very late at night (it was 12:00 when we left). We both live in Livermore and the only hospital that has an actual emergency room is located in Oakland (my friend going to the ER was the only way to get examined by a doctor, it was too late at night for an actual appointment, that and he was in considerable pain). We go there and we wait a few hours in the ER waiting area before my friend is called in. I sit in the waiting area for about an hour before my friend texts me to ask to visit him (apparently it was extremely hard to get the message out because of bad reception). The treating area I'm lead into has a row of about four to five beds. I reach my friend who is in the second bed, and I find that, (get this) NO ONE HAS EVEN TALKED TO OR OTHERWISE EXAMINED HIM. The medical staff is lolly-gagging in their office area, doing NOTHING. I sit in a chair next to my friends bed and another couple of hours slips from me and my friends life. Finally a nurse enters the room and does a quick examination of my friend. I think that we're finally making some progress, but it's another half hour before the actual doctor comes in to do the general examination and blood tests. My friend is also given some paper work to fill out. This is when I start to slip in and out of sleep (not easy because about two beds down is a person with a serious snoring problem). I finally woke up in the chair with a terrible pain in my neck. My friend gives me the code to his car and I leave. I slip into the back of his car and try to sleep. It was about 9:00 in the morning before we left. I wont comment on the results of the examination, but needles to say in was not a fun way to spend nine hours. Doctors and nurses standing around shooting the breeze when they COULD have been doing something that would have been completed in thirty minutes, or an hour tops. I guess we were lucky there were no gunshot victims, otherwise we'd have never got out of there... The moral of the story is that the medical system is too bogged down in who makes money, who has or does not have insurance, rather then focusing on getting American citizens healthy. I think universal health care is preferable to spending nine hours where nothing is accomplished. It wasn't a total loss though: the Vanity Fair articles I was reading were fascinating, I swiped a pair of sterile gloves, and I got to look inside of a human ear. IMPORTANT NOTE: While my friend was in considerable pain, and we had to visit the ER, I want to point out that he wasn't in so much pain that he was in any sort of danger. Like I said, the Oakland hospital was the only place to go and that the visit was a terrible inconvience that bordered on a complete waste of time.
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06-06-2009, 12:55 PM | #208 |
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Funny.
Though we rank soooo low in healthcare quality, many Many dignitaries and royalty from other nations regularly come to the good ole USA when they need a procedure done. Sultan of Brunei (sp?) is the richest man in the world. When his son needed a procedure to ablate an abnormal conduction pathway in his heart, He went to Oklahoma City. The list is long of similar stories, I assure you. effect for a few years. does anyone know how this is working? |
06-06-2009, 01:15 PM | #209 |
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Please understand how the WHO ranks countries. For instance infant mortality and mortality figures are largely used in their formula. In this country, a disproportionate amount of children and adults die from MVAs and violence. These things bring this figure down. We also have an obesity epidemic that contributes to adult mortality (heart disease, diabetes, and cancer deaths). Please don't be so quick to jump on the universal healthcare wagon. Supposedly we have programs that already cover the uninsured, elderly, and indigent (MediCare and Medicaid). We all see how well those work and are financially viable. Why give the government more control and responsibility when they can't manage their current programs correctly? Please also recognize the role of government interference in our current healthcare system (poor reimbursement, etc.).
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06-06-2009, 01:22 PM | #210 |
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I see the 47 million uninsured figure used frequently to convince people that universal healthcare is the answer. All one has to do is look at that report (it was 2005 census info, I think) more closely. Some simple math reveals 8 million of those INDIVIDUALS earned >$75,000, while another 8 million >%50,000. Another 8 million are children eligible for benefits (under CHIP, I think) but not enrolled (we don't know why). Approximately 10 million of those people included in the 47 million figure are not even US citizens. That report also includes anyone that didn't have insurance during any period of a calendar year. Someone swithing a job and going on COBRA for a brief period counts as do young college adults fresh out of school and not covered by their parents' policies (until they are employed). Proponents don't tend to either divulge this info or take the time to do the math.
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