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09-03-2009, 06:18 PM | #331 |
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Means I'm a scruff-bag.
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09-03-2009, 06:31 PM | #332 |
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lol
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No, you just imposed your opinion on someone else.
See, I haven't called anyone out for not liking the film, ONLY for questioning my intelligence, sophistication and integrity for liking it. I mean, just look at your sig: "Roc lovers are always trying to get haters to compare it to the worst aspects of the cartoon." Really? Are we? All of us? Really? God, we're desperate aren't we? Either that or you basically made something up to suggest that we are. Frankly, I don't give a toss that you hated ROC, but I loathe this rather sinister, underlying notion that because I liked the film I'm a blinkered, simple, unsophisticated fool that needs to be 'corrected' at every turn by my self-appointed intellectual superiors (because, of course, everything they like is 'worthy', has been given their 'stamp of approval' and is therefore suitable to be passed on for consumption by the plebian masses) Staggering.... Also, if you can't tell the difference between a generalization and a literal statement... well, go hang out with dj7000, I guess? I didn't even say "all" in that quote in my sig, so no that may not apply to you. And yes, there are many who have repeatedly tried to say that if you liked the corny cartoon, you're hypocritical to not like the movie because "they're the same thing". And what did I say that caused such "loathing" from you? All I said was RoC was dumb, which is kinda what I've been saying for a year now. I'm sorry if somehow that pissed you off, it certainly wasn't my intent. Quote:
GI Joe doesn't have to be the best written movie to be popular (obviously), but it certainly has the capacity to be. It is that good, and could have been if taken more seriously by the director and the producer. Look, if rich playboy has life changing experience and builds a tech suit making him a super-hero can be a great movie despite the cliched story, certainly a group of paramilitary heroes fighting extraordinary terrorists can be.
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09-03-2009, 06:45 PM | #333 |
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I agree, it could. But it would be the first time.
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09-03-2009, 06:55 PM | #334 |
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There's a first for everything, and when you throw $170 million dollars behind something...
I think I might be misunderstood, actually. I don't really think GI Joe needs to be serious at all, I'd hate if GI Joe were made in to Dark Knight. It's not that kind of property. Look at IM. Iron Man wasn't a really thick, intellectual, drawn out drama, it was a big, expensive action movie. But it wasn't a dumb one with subpar acting, asinine dialogue, revamped at the whim of a producer who had no passion for the source material, and a director who IMO isn't all that skilled. That's where I want to see change with #2. Let's make a big expensive action movie that still has brains and heart.
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09-03-2009, 07:06 PM | #335 |
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I accept that from you because you frame your arguments well. Your expectations were too high - it wasn't unreasonable but it was unrealistic. But I enjoy Reading what you have to say and often agree.
Generally with haters the problem is that either they try and criticise the movie on the basis that it's poor quality of writing and plotting is in contrast with the rest of gi joe. It isn't (even your sig agrees with that). The only remaining answer is that roc is as dumb and shallow as the rest of gi joe, in which case why are people posting here in the first place? Of course a $175m film should be fantastic, but that misses the point. I'd expect a batman fan to say gi joe was crap, but joe fans on a joe website hating a live acton movie with all the characteristics of the comics and cartoon is bizarre. It's like some people are looking at the rest through rose tinted glasses
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09-03-2009, 07:18 PM | #336 |
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Your expectations were too high - it wasn't unreasonable but it was unrealistic. ...
Generally with haters the problem is that either they try and criticise the movie on the basis that it's poor quality of writing and plotting is in contrast with the rest of gi joe. It isn't (even your sig agrees with that). The only remaining answer is that roc is as dumb and shallow as the rest of gi joe, in which case why are people posting here in the first place? Of course a $175m film should be fantastic, but that misses the point. I'd expect a batman fan to say gi joe was crap, but joe fans on a joe website hating a live acton movie with all the characteristics of the comics and cartoon is bizarre. It's like some people are looking at the rest through rose tinted glasses To your second point, most cartoons are really dumbed down. A good writer and a good producer and a good director understand the difference between the two formats, and the audience targeted by each. To say that the RoC should be enjoyed simply because it's as ridiculous as the cartoon is not only unfair, it's unreasonable. Furthermore, we've seen "good" writing in the GI Joe comic, both in Marvel, DDP, and Image, and it's worked very well. I think alot of the writing in some of the comics has been pretty good, actually, and would have worked well translated to film. GI Joe isn't always some dumbed-down cheesy cartoony property. Sometimes it's really, really good quality stuff.
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09-03-2009, 07:30 PM | #337 |
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I can understand the disappointment and feeling of missed opportunity (which appears to be your standpoint) it's the crew who love arah and hate roc. I could be missing the point but I don't see huge differences in quality.
As a piece of gi joe the movie isn't that different from the source; as a movie it could have been better/different etc . However a lot of us wanted it to be exactly as it was and not change from what we have been used to. Thinking that way doesn't invalidate our opinions
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09-03-2009, 07:40 PM | #338 |
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They didn't need to make it a silly cartoon based movie either, Hollywood loves to reinvent things constantly, why not reinvent it for the better, take a silly cartoon, and ground it in reality, they can still add the elements of sci-fi too. Take Terminator 2 for example, Sci-Fi? Yes? Was it plausible? Maybe? The way Cameron does his films, is that he directs, what would be if this were to really happen? What Beattie and Sommers did was make 2 dimensional characters (in that aspect Tatum was perfectly cast) and have them reiterate lines that a Sunbow cartoon character may say. Also if anyones argument is that it is on par with the 80's cartoon and therefore fun, I find that is just a flimsy cop-out. Cartoons now days are anything but silly, JLU had much drama and seriousness to it at times, if a joe cartoon existed today (coughs resolute) the tone would be brought up to todays standards. It's a case of he said/then he said, but I'll concede this to those that enjoyed the film, some people take refuge in film that it's an escape from their lives to help them cope with their own personal day to day routine, by that token, all films basically do that, but I think the main argument in general is that this wasn't a bad joe film, . . . it was just a bad film period. Then again when I was 8 I loved Garbage pail kids the movie and Gremlins 2. I still think Gremlins 2 is kinda humorous but Garbage Pail Kids? WTF?
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09-03-2009, 08:06 PM | #339 |
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I think we are all having different arguments here. I don't think it's wrong for you guys to have wanted a more sophisticated gi joe, but on the other hand I can see why the lovers like what was essentially a live action version of what has gone before. Both views are valid, and both can claim the movie was good or bad on the basis of both. Also, I don't think the arguments are mutually exclusive.
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09-04-2009, 02:30 PM | #340 |
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The only two things I didn't like about this movie was how the relationship between Scarlett and Snake-Eyes was changed, and that moment where Ripcord pulls how Destro located the weapons right out of his ass.
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