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10-12-2020, 06:19 PM | #101 |
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In the comics and cartoon Ripcord was a white guy. He was drawn as a white guy and granted his story could be passed on too another non white actor he has been white since 1984. This might sound racist but I am the type that likes to have established characters stay how they are established. You cant tell me they didnt cast him African American to try to make it diverse. There are plenty of other African American characters they could have put in to fit that narrative. Stalker would have been awesome. They had heavy duty granted but he wasn't that great. I would never ask them or want them to make Black Panther a white guy or cast Stalker as a white guy. I respect that and honestly I like how it is. I think color goes with the character in a way. Would you want Snake Eyes to be black or could you accept Storm Shadow as Latino? What about Destro as a woman and hooked up with Baroness? Lady Jaye going through the change but still in a relationship with flint? What if they just did it out of the blue after all this time?
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‘Blackwashing’? That’s a new term for me.
Can I ask you an honest question? Was it his race than made him a bad representation of Ripcord or his terrible acting skills? He is not a great actor. If it’s his race, then why was he a bad representation of Ripcord? Nothing of his story line changes if Ripcord is black vs white. Nothing in his backstory hinges on him being white. Is there a missing comic from the original run that talks about him being in the KKK or something? That he rose past his KKK upbringing and became a champion for race relations? That’s an extreme example and the only thing I can think of that would make his race change an actual issue. It’s the same with commissioner Gordon if he is suddenly black instead of white. His character is not changed in any way if he is black. I get that there is history and backstories for these characters, but at the end of the day we are adults reading about and playing with toys from the 80’s. *I may have 75% of my basement covered with toys and nerdy items, but it’s just a hobby and I’m not going to get worked up over a white character changing races in a story line. There are more important things to worry about in the world. *im not stating that to chastise anyone on their level of importance of little plastic men or to say they are wrong, that statement was my own personal belief system.
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10-12-2020, 06:42 PM | #102 |
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In the comics and cartoon Ripcord was a white guy. He was drawn as a white guy and granted his story could be passed on too another non white actor he has been white since 1984. This might sound racist but I am the type that likes to have established characters stay how they are established. You cant tell me they didnt cast him African American to try to make it diverse. There are plenty of other African American characters they could have put in to fit that narrative. Stalker would have been awesome. They had heavy duty granted but he wasn't that great. I would never ask them or want them to make Black Panther a white guy or cast Stalker as a white guy. I respect that and honestly I like how it is. I think color goes with the character in a way. Would you want Snake Eyes to be black or could you accept Storm Shadow as Latino? What about Destro as a woman and hooked up with Baroness? Lady Jaye going through the change but still in a relationship with flint? What if they just did it out of the blue after all this time?
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10-12-2020, 07:19 PM | #103 |
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Just like I do not like having a black Duke, I would absolutely detest a white Stalker, Anglo Quick Kick or a male Scarlett. Please leave the legacy characters as they were. G.I. Joe was truly diverse to begin with. |
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10-12-2020, 11:04 PM | #104 |
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Would you want Snake Eyes to be black or could you accept Storm Shadow as Latino? What about Destro as a woman and hooked up with Baroness? Lady Jaye going through the change but still in a relationship with flint? What if they just did it out of the blue after all this time?
Female destro in that open shirt making out with baroness? Hot lava. |
10-14-2020, 05:37 PM | #105 |
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Meh, we subjected kids to far worse in the 80’s than showing same sex people in love.
Is same sex love worse than having 80’s cartoons and toy lines based on extremely violent movies (Robocop) or movies that dealt with the horrors, ptsd, and the politics of the Vietnam war (Rambo)? |
10-14-2020, 05:58 PM | #106 |
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Personally I do not like any swapping to legacy characters. For over 37 years I have developed the characters in my own imagination. I was not into the comics, and largely ignored what I disliked in the cartoons. For example, in my mind Cobra Commander was a bad ass.
Just like I do not like having a black Duke, I would absolutely detest a white Stalker, Anglo Quick Kick or a male Scarlett. Please leave the legacy characters as they were. G.I. Joe was truly diverse to begin with. For instance, Henry Goulding bothers me because Snake Eyes was based on as actual person that Larry knew and had a great deal of respect for. At the same time, if Larry doesn’t mind, why should I?
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10-14-2020, 07:12 PM | #107 |
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Even when they do change how a character looks in toys, comics, or movies, does it materially change the character? Hawk was blonde (and largely stayed that way in the comics), but with v2 onward he mostly had brown hair. In 91 suddenly Low-light and Grunt had black hair while dusty had bright red hair. The sticklers among us find these changes annoying, but we tend to accept them as minor and explainable (hair dye was cheap in 1991!) because we rightly acknowledge that hair color is immaterial to their backstory, character, or abilities as we perceive them. Can we not extend that same reasoning to things like skin tone, eye color, and other physical features? When Payload first showed up in the comics (issue 64 I think), both the artist and the colorist present him as black. Over the next few issues, he looks to be biracial at the very least but eventually settles into a "white guy with red hair" appearance in later issues. To this day I imagine him as a biracial man, but it (like hair color) doesn't meaningfully affect his character, to the very limited extent that it exists in my brain anyway. |
10-14-2020, 07:54 PM | #108 |
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To your question about skin color. Yes it would. If they went and made Storm Shadow a mexican or a black guy his whole back story would be a joke. Somethings have to remain the same in order to present something and believe it.
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Even when they do change how a character looks in toys, comics, or movies, does it materially change the character? Hawk was blonde (and largely stayed that way in the comics), but with v2 onward he mostly had brown hair. In 91 suddenly Low-light and Grunt had black hair while dusty had bright red hair. The sticklers among us find these changes annoying, but we tend to accept them as minor and explainable (hair dye was cheap in 1991!) because we rightly acknowledge that hair color is immaterial to their backstory, character, or abilities as we perceive them. Can we not extend that same reasoning to things like skin tone, eye color, and other physical features?
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10-14-2020, 08:44 PM | #109 |
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I agree with you. SS is definitely one of those characters I was thinking about in the first paragraph ("clearly established histories, relationships, and family ties that already define or at least suggest their race, ethnicity, gender identity, or sexual orientation."). Less so someone like Payload, Countdown, Starduster, Slipstream, Blizzard, Charbroil, Major Altitude, and so on.
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10-14-2020, 09:01 PM | #110 |
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This is a question concerning the cartoon versions of RoboCop and Rambo. And the answer is nope. Though all three series (there's a "RoboCop: Alpha Commando" also) were heavily sanitized for children's protection, plus are varying degrees of awful.
FYI both RoboCops can currently be seen on YouTube while "Rambo: The Force of Freedom" is on Dailymotion. I would post links, but legally speaking, that would make me an accomplice. Changing Dusty's hair color hardly seems "minor". For one thing, he now has a substantially higher risk for sunburn and/or melanoma.
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