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View Poll Results: Batman: Hero or Vigilante? | |||
Hero! | 35 | 59.32% | |
Vigilante | 24 | 40.68% | |
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03-05-2010, 07:08 PM | #21 |
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A vigilante is someone who illegally punishes someone for perceived offenses, or participates in a group which metes out extrajudicial punishment to such a person. Often the victims are criminals in the legal sense, however a vigilante may follow a different definition of criminal than the local law.
By this definition I would have to say that Batman is a hero, but not a vigilante, because he doesn't punish criminals. He captures them so that they can be brought to justice by local law enforcement. "Vigiliantism is a common theme in fiction, across a wide range of genres. In particular, vigilantes feature prominently in comic books and Hollywood movies. The vigilante character is frequently a superhero, such as Batman, or a "rogue cop" such as Dirty Harry." How do the cool kids say it: Uhm, you have been PWNED!!!!!! Just sayin'. |
03-05-2010, 07:12 PM | #22 |
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still doesn't change that you were wrong Rocky, Batman doesn't punish criminals
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03-05-2010, 07:14 PM | #23 |
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it really depends who is at the typewriter that week. For me the more Noir the Dark Knight is... the better i like it.
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03-05-2010, 07:25 PM | #24 |
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That is punishment enough...... its not a jail sentence but its punishment. Read this: The foundation of the American legal system rests on the Rule of Law, a concept embodied in the notion that the United States is a nation of laws and not of men. Under the rule of law, laws are thought to exist independent of, and separate from, human will. Even when the human element factors into legal decision making, the decision maker is expected to be constrained by the law in making his or her decision. In other words, police officers, judges, and juries should act according to the law and not according to their personal preferences or private agendas. Batman works outside of that law thus he is a Vigilante. |
03-05-2010, 08:33 PM | #25 |
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Here is a true def. of Vigilantism:
Taking the law into one's own hands and attempting to effect justice according to one's own understanding of right and wrong; action taken by a voluntary association of persons who organize themselves for the purpose of protecting a common interest, such as liberty, property, or personal security; action taken by an individual or group to protest existing law; action taken by an individual or group to enforce a higher law than that enacted by society's designated lawmaking institutions; private enforcement of legal norms in the absence of an established, reliable, and effective law enforcement body. According to the true definition you provided he is not at least. Batman doesn't take the law into his own hands to effect justice, that's what the Punisher (a vigilante by definition) does. Batman operates outside of the law (in that he is not an actual member of law enforcement) much like a local community watch would, and then delivers the criminals he captures to local law enforcement so that they can effect justice, whether it be a stay a Blackgate prison, or Arkham Asylum. I could go on and point out that Batman doesn't carry out any of the following; action taken by a voluntary association of persons who organize themselves for the purpose of protecting a common interest, such as liberty, property, or personal security; action taken by an individual or group to protest existing law; action taken by an individual or group to enforce a higher law than that enacted by society's designated lawmaking institutions; private enforcement of legal norms in the absence of an established, reliable, and effective law enforcement body, but that would be besides the point. Based solely on the definition of the word, Batman is not a vigilante. I'm sure you would agree. |
03-05-2010, 08:40 PM | #26 |
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LMAO............. not to metion you knucklehead that same source you pulled out of your arse says this:
"Vigiliantism is a common theme in fiction, across a wide range of genres. In particular, vigilantes feature prominently in comic books and Hollywood movies. The vigilante character is frequently a superhero, such as Batman, or a "rogue cop" such as Dirty Harry." It doesn't matter though, because the definition you provided (which was essentially the same as mine, but reworded) will do just fine in proving my point. I'm sorry I bothered to read what the word meant before I chimed in, had I not I would have been able to agree with you, but since I did I'm forced to definitively answer the question; he's not a vigilante. Sorry about the PWNAGE, better luck next time . |
03-05-2010, 08:45 PM | #27 |
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taking the law into ones own hand.... Did you not see The Dark Knight? He beat the crap out of the Joker (hello, taking the law into his own hands) while he was in police custody! How is that not taking the law into your own hands? Please let me hear this. Or when he was going too shoot Joe Chill to carry out the kind of tactics that The Punisher implores. Not to mention that he does not always gets the cops involved. Sometimes he just hands out an A$$ whipping and then he is off. Part of his tactic to scare others...... that is not criminal justice thats fear tactics by a Vigilante in play...
And to make matters worse he lets Ras Al Gul die in the train...... thus becoming judge jury and executioner! Your comparison too a local community watch is silly as they do not break laws to enforce laws. They do not perpetrate Assault and Battery on people. But anyway even Bob Kane the man credited in brining Batman to the scene says this: "I made Batman a superhero-vigilante when I first created him" Quote:
Clever Rocky, but unfortunately you can't have it both ways. It's either a credible source, or it isn't.
It doesn't matter though, because the definition you provided (which was essentially the same as mine, but reworded) will do just fine in proving my point. I'm sorry I bothered to read what the word meant before I chimed in, had I not I would have been able to agree with you, but since I did I'm forced to definitively answer the question; he's not a vigilante. Sorry about the PWNAGE, better luck next time . Do you need a hanky for that egg on your face? (You are so my B$tch.......lol) Last edited by Rocky; 03-05-2010 at 08:52 PM.. |
03-05-2010, 08:47 PM | #28 |
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Double post, sorry.
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03-05-2010, 09:10 PM | #29 |
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Actually, I believe (IIRC of course) that Superman has special deputy status or has been granted some sort of special status by the Metropolis police department.
Batman OTOH, is a vigilante who has his own moral code of conduct and is against killing. I wouldn't not consider Batman a hero just because he is a vigilante though. |
03-05-2010, 09:15 PM | #30 |
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Plus I think everyone's happier to work with Superman than Batman......cause literally Batman has no real personality to interact with....I guess.
But yeah Bats seems more of a Vigilante than a Real Hero. He doesn't seem to do much publicity like the Heroes do of course. After all Superman and the like [like the other heroes] always pose for Photo Ops, so on and so fourth. Batman always makes the news when he causes trouble. Also you gotta wonder if Bats didn't have a Stealth Jet he'd cause the FAA a crap ton of problems whenever he'd launch it.
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