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06-05-2009, 07:38 PM | #81 |
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And look how well Social Security is doing! And how much it's cost for nothing more than a giant ponzi scheme..
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06-05-2009, 07:40 PM | #82 |
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Someone also said something about Dr's wages going down because of a free market. If you check physician's salaries in Canada vs. the US, there's a huge difference. Family Drs in the US make on avg 135k, which is almost 150k Candadian. Canadian Family drs make under 120 canadian. That's 20% less.
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06-05-2009, 07:51 PM | #83 |
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06-05-2009, 07:54 PM | #84 |
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This is from Ralph Nader's site and I agree
Health care should be provided by a national, single-payer health insurance program funded by the federal government and providing comprehensive benefits to all Americans throughout their lives. Under the current system, hundreds of billions of dollars a year are wasted by health-care sellers on billing, fraud and administrative expenses. Excess profits and high CEO (and other executive) salaries at large HMOs and other health-care companies add further costs. But I also think people should get off their fat @sses and take control of their lives. Save the healthcare for the unfortunate children and elderly
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06-05-2009, 07:57 PM | #85 |
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You might have something there. We cant have our cake and eat it too, meaning Americans would invariably have to choose between keeping their status as the world's only superpower and keep devoting so much tax budgets on the military industrial complex, or the US can invest more on the welfare of its citizens through education and healthcare. Choosing the latter would mean that America is giving up its role as a military power. The US can't have both. Seeing that America has reached the point of imperial overstretch to the level that its ill-effects are being felt on the societal, financial and economic level with millions of Americans withought health insurance as its obvious manifestation, I can see the United States will gradually switch to universal healthcare sometime in the 21st century.
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06-05-2009, 08:02 PM | #86 |
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The US empire is basically over. The politicians just haven't realized it yet. Honestly, the US is full of citizens with the genius, the know-how and forward-thinking to really put the US on another level. All that money spent to prop up what is basically a dying empire could be directed elsewhere, for the better of the citizens. So many americans need health care, they need better jobs, they need a lot of things. A lot of that money could be put to better use at home, instead of weapons and war.
By the way, I must throw it out there that this has amazingly been a great civil conversation dealing with a topic that usually makes for pretty heated debates. Good conversing with you guys n gals.
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06-05-2009, 08:06 PM | #87 |
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I agree. I think most of that has to do with fear of being attacked again, but that's the point of terrorism. If you allow them to control you like that, they win.
By the way, I must throw it out there that this has amazingly been a great civil conversation dealing with a topic that usually makes for pretty heated debates. Good conversing with you guys n gals.
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06-05-2009, 08:10 PM | #88 |
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Is this the same W.H.O that recently tried to pass a global initiative to make all vitamins require doctor prescriptions? I wouldn't place too much stock in any list they release. Remember that they,like the FDA are just men in suits taking bribes.
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06-05-2009, 08:19 PM | #89 |
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Yep. I read recently something about pesticides used to keep fruits and vegetables safe from bugs and all and how they are regulated. It amazed me that something like 13 of 23 or something are OK to use in the US, while only 7 of 23 are used in Europe. Our FDA decides our list btw. Anyhow, what amazed me most isn't the difference in number as one governing body could have more strict regulations. What surprised me is something like only 4 are used by both, so that means Europe deems most of the ones we're using as unhealthy while we think 3 of theirs are. Men in suits taking bribes.
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06-05-2009, 08:25 PM | #90 |
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A recent survey says more than half of American doctors support switching to universal healthcare:
WASHINGTON, March 31 (Reuters) - More than half of U.S. doctors now favor switching to a national health care plan and fewer than a third oppose the idea, according to a survey published on Monday. The survey suggests that opinions have changed substantially since the last survey in 2002 and as the country debates serious changes to the health care system. Of more than 2,000 doctors surveyed, 59 percent said they support legislation to establish a national health insurance program, while 32 percent said they opposed it, researchers reported in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine. The 2002 survey found that 49 percent of physicians supported national health insurance and 40 percent opposed it. Let me give you a few things you can sue your Dr. for. - say you Dr. writes you an Rx for a brand name medication and does not put on the Rx may substitute with generic. Say your insurance wont pay for the brand name or say you just cant afford the co-pay on the brand name. so you don’t get the Rx. You get sick, or you die. Guess what you or your family can sue the Doctor. - your Dr. gives you directions on how to take a medication in English, and that’s not your primary language. If you don’t take the medication correctly and get sick or die. Regardless if you stated wither you understood the instructions. Guess what? You got it. Quote:
“Many claim to speak for physicians and represent their views. We asked doctors directly and found that, contrary to conventional wisdom, most doctors support national health insurance," said Dr. Aaron Carroll of the Indiana University School of Medicine, who led the study.
"As doctors, we find that our patients suffer because of increasing deductibles, co-payments, and restrictions on patient care," said Dr. Ronald Ackermann, who worked on the study with Carroll. "More and more, physicians are turning to national health insurance as a solution to this problem." Also the complaint here that free market dirty capitalist are making medical decisions. So you want to turn it over to political hacks. Oh! that’s smart. Quote:
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The United States has no single organized health care system. Instead it relies on a patchwork of insurance provided by the federal and state governments to the elderly, poor, disabled and to some children, along with private insurance and employer-sponsored plans. Quote:
And all those county’s named in a large part with the exception of France subsidize there social welfare in a large part with defense welfare provided by the US. I want to be clear I have great respect for the British, Canadian and not stated Australian military personnel I have fought side by side with them with pride, but there countries don’t spend adequately to defend themselves. Quote:
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Insurance companies, retailers and other employers have joined forces with unions and other interest groups to propose their own plans.
"Across the board, more physicians feel that our fragmented and for-profit insurance system is obstructing good patient care, and a majority now support national insurance as the remedy," Ackermann said in a statement. The Indiana survey found that 83 percent of psychiatrists, 69 percent of emergency medicine specialists, 65 percent of pediatricians, 64 percent of internists, 60 percent of family physicians and 55 percent of general surgeons favor a national health insurance plan. The researchers said they believe the survey was representative of the 800,000 U.S. medical doctors. (Reporting by Maggie Fox; Editing by Will Dunham and Xavier Briand) Just a little lesion here Socialism is when the governments owns and runs industry. Fascism is when the government just runs industry. Both political philosophies exalts nation and often race above the individual and stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. When do we get a health care Czar Czar: any person exercising great authority or power in a particular field
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