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10-13-2022, 08:20 AM | #101 |
Iron Grenadier
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I know. I tried to edit the comment, but you'd already caught it. You have no idea how much shame that fills me with. But, yes, Neal Adams 100% belongs on that list.
I'm not entirely up to date on my Batman comic reading (by a great many years at this point), so I've not read any of King's run. I sort of jumped off when DC rebooted and all the issue numbering reset for awhile. It felt real sloppy in regards to Batman. I peeked in at some of the Snyder stuff up until Death of the Family, and, while I've got no beef with it, it's just not for me.
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10-13-2022, 08:41 AM | #102 |
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Ninja man bats and damian is when i stopprd reading batbooks.
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10-13-2022, 08:47 AM | #103 |
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Zero idea on X-Men, but I'm more than happy to rattle off some superior Batman artists. Aparo. Breyfogle. Rogers. Even Timm and Miller have produced far better and more iconic takes on the character than Lee.
Lee never does the ears long enough. Not ever. EDIT: Oh shit. I forgot Neal Adams. |
10-13-2022, 08:53 AM | #104 |
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What exactly are you trying to prove? That no matter what you like jim lee more?
His art style sucks. He's overrated. His comic company was a failure and dc bought it and took him with it. The best thing he ever did was the xmen redesigns, and there are better designs before and since. |
10-13-2022, 08:56 AM | #105 |
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But wtf are we comparing anyway? What's Aparo side-by-side with Lee going to prove? You're going to tell me that it's Lee's work is objevtively superior based on...what? I mean, hell, if you're talking design, what exactly is Lee bringing to the table that any of the guys I named didn't already do?
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10-13-2022, 08:58 AM | #106 |
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Sorry for the double post, but Morrison's run was such a fun trip and a big part of the reason I felt so deflated when it was suddenly time to reboot and we somehow were still going to keep Damian and the rest of the expanded BatFamily around while trying to dually pull off a younger Batman who is earlier in his career.
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10-13-2022, 09:10 AM | #107 |
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What exactly are you trying to prove? That no matter what you like jim lee more?
His art style sucks. He's overrated. His comic company was a failure and dc bought it and took him with it. The best thing he ever did was the xmen redesigns, and there are better designs before and since. Quote:
LOL. I don't know how, man. All I know how to do is upload images as attachments. I know. Once upon a time, I knew how to do these things. But this is my first forum since college, and I don't remember shit anymore.
But wtf are we comparing anyway? What's Aparo side-by-side with Lee going to prove? You're going to tell me that it's Lee's work is objevtively superior based on...what? I mean, hell, if you're talking design, what exactly is Lee bringing to the table that any of the guys I named didn't already do? |
10-13-2022, 09:25 AM | #108 |
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I mean you guys just want to throw out that it sucks & overrated because you dont like the guy personally but you cant honestly show me a better design side by side & I will give you an honest opinion if it is, im not biased at all & know all aspects of the character & will recognize that its superior!
Its simple upload it to postimages.org with these [img][/img] just put the link in the middle & I wouldnt be biased at all im just curious to see what you guys are seeing that im not! What I really believe you two have a personal grudge against the guy & deep down you know his Batman & X-Men are the definitive modern versions just like Romita Sr is to Spider-Man! Adams Batman is right there with Lee's like Romita did to Ditko, he just modernized it in a tasteful way! Anyway, a few things to unpack: 1) I said Hush was overrated. Not specifically the art. The book as a whole. 2) I got no grudge whatsoever with Lee. He's fine. But I wouldn't rank him in the top five Batman artists of all time whatsoever. I also don't read X-Men. 3) I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I don't boogey with the "I know all aspects of the character" types when it comes to The Dark Knight. I've been Batmanning it up all my life, dude. Don't give me that. It's kinda/sorta uppity. I get that you're kinda in defense mode in regards to Lee, and I really wasn't trying to put you there, but still. Anyway, idk if it'll be side by side by here we go: Aparo (I got this one framed, too!) Breyfogle (I now want this framed) Rogers (Strange Apparitions is the business btw) Timm (one of the most inconic Bat designs ever, and, hell, I'm not even taking his work with the rogue's gallery into account) Miller (this is the best goddamn Batman splash page ever and I won't budge on that) Frank also handled the non-oval look in such a way that folks still copy his Bat insignia and, you know, we kinda had a live action version of this one. And here's Lee. Again. No hate. I've got a print of this on the BatWall too. It's pretty.
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10-13-2022, 09:34 AM | #109 |
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Personally, there's only 2 or 3 modern artists that actually draw a good Batman; imho. Lee and most others these days are basically drawing cover shots for every panel on the page, making Batman into a fashion model instead of the lurking menace he is. Matt Wagner is easily one of the top five best Batman creators ever, imho. Anybody that can both write and draw a character is fundamentally a better creator than one that can do only one; and Wagner nails every damn thing he touches imho. Of course, there will simply never be a better depiction of Batman than what Dave Mazzuchelli can do. Such a possibility can't even be imagined. Last edited by Ozymandias13; 10-13-2022 at 09:39 AM.. |
10-13-2022, 09:51 AM | #110 |
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Thanks for the tip on the images. I should have remembered that.
Anyway, a few things to unpack: 1) I said Hush was overrated. Not specifically the art. The book as a whole. 2) I got no grudge whatsoever with Lee. He's fine. But I wouldn't rank him in the top five Batman artists of all time whatsoever. I also don't read X-Men. 3) I mean this in the nicest possible way, but I don't boogey with the "I know all aspects of the character" types when it comes to The Dark Knight. I've been Batmanning it up all my life, dude. Don't give me that. It's kinda/sorta uppity. I get that you're kinda in defense mode in regards to Lee, and I really wasn't trying to put you there, but still. |
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