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Today, 03:38 PM | #311 |
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i am on the "witt scammed you" because i believe a failure of a project manager, who just abandoned his project to the wolves and had poor communication is a scammer. just as i believe conrad is a scammer - he stole the model, and then fell down the "mess everything up" tree and hit every branch on his way down. you communicate with your customers. you tell them the shit's going on. witt didnt do that adequately. he took money and didnt deliver. whether he has that money now or not makes no difference to me.
For the record: I call things a scam if it looks like there never was intent to deliver. I don't think that's the case with either HS or the Airwolf, I think they just ran into their own incompetence.
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Today, 03:54 PM | #312 |
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Something I've never understood - how was Hell Screamerz a scam? Seriously, how do people justify that label short of "anything where I don't get my figures is a scam"?
He clearly attempted to make the figures, as shown by the sale of factory parts from Chinese sellers. The fact that the project completely failed (and that his communication was absolute crap) doesn't make him a scammer so much as it makes him a failure and a crap project manager. Seems like a prime example of Hanlon's Law: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Please be clear, I'm not telling Solomon he can run off with my money to buy hookers and blow. I still want my money back or (preferably) the product I paid for, but it seems like neither is likely. Quote:
i tend to think it was a scam because i have seen people in facebook groups i have admin'd "my granpa came up with this" "i am selling this product for my girlfriend" "look what my diet pill does for me" (and it's not a picture of that person.
solomon witt, came into a bunch of gijoe facebook groups with "my grandpa came up with this story, and now i am making modern space looking action figures based on it." and it struck all the chords i said above in my head. and then his campaign catastrophically failed and he dropped it. frankly, the look of those figures mixed with the convoluted story, dont jive with something a grandfather can come up with. like way too modern in sculpt and style; oh and then the air raiders add ons or whatever they were not related to hell screamerz or "granpa". strike force alpha ran into similar factory problems. as much as i cannot stand how it was ran by jason shcejehy;eljmeeryr, or him personally, he legitimately took a freaking hit to get those figures delivered. that's really the single only credit i can give that person. witt's product could be bought afterwards from factory direct on alibaba; and i am speculating that this is more of a factory trying to make their money back because they have all this product; and he already abandoned it rather than fight to make them get it right. or whatever his excuses were to ditch it. if factories decided "screw this dude and his money, we're stealing the product" we'd hear about this happening right now with callsign longbow or have heard of it with skeletron or marauder inc's 100th modern sculpt crap. did witt intentionally scam people through kickstarter this time? probably not. has he done it before not on kickstarter? search his name on facebook and omit the hellscreamerz stuff. just the same as steven koch jet tits and omit s3dtoys. i am on the "witt scammed you" because i believe a failure of a project manager, who just abandoned his project to the wolves and had poor communication is a scammer. just as i believe conrad is a scammer - he stole the model, and then fell down the "mess everything up" tree and hit every branch on his way down. you communicate with your customers. you tell them the shit's going on. witt didnt do that adequately. he took money and didnt deliver. whether he has that money now or not makes no difference to me. A scam is a swindle. And he most definitely swindled people out of their hard earned ducats. Half-witt lazy project manager or intentional scheme. The result was the same. He talked a big game. Talk is worthless. Only actions matter. He DID nothing to suggest he was anything more that a scammer. I've back quite a few figure KS'. I backed 4H's Advent of Decay. Excellent communication consisting of timely updates that resulted in a fantastic experience. I constantly looked forward to the updates. Same with Roboskull. These guys treat their customers how they would like to be treated. They aren't looking to skate by doing the bare minimum. They would never think to mail a customer a thin 3d print that was broken and act like that customer is a fool to complain. Behavior like that is ludicrous.
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Today, 03:57 PM | #313 |
Fartbutt McGillicuddy
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clearly. there is no benefit to me to lie about him (also, i value my integrity too much to lie). i've personally banned him from groups i've admin'd and posts about him and his posts still remain.
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Today, 03:59 PM | #314 |
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A scam is a swindle. And he most definitely swindled people out of their hard earned ducats. Half-witt lazy project manager or intentional scheme. The result was the same. He talked a big game. Talk is worthless. Only actions matter. He DID nothing to suggest he was anything more that a scammer.
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Today, 04:00 PM | #315 |
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Oh yeah, I'm not saying you were making this up - didn't mean to insinuate that. I just have never been able to find the actual story, just people talking about how the story exists.
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Today, 04:01 PM | #316 |
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i made some additional thoughts while you guys were probably replying just so we're all on the same page, here they are:
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i am on the "witt scammed you" because i believe a failure of a project manager, who just abandoned his project to the wolves and had poor communication is a scammer. just as i believe conrad is a scammer - he stole the model, and then fell down the "mess everything up" tree and hit every branch on his way down. you communicate with your customers. you tell them the shit's going on. Witt didnt communicate adequately. his "granpa came up with the story". he took money for a product and didnt deliver. whether he has that money now or not makes no difference to me. he checks boxes that come across to me as a scammer.
take kickstarter guidelines out of the equation for witt and conrad. if they did this in a facebook or joe forum, they'd be considered scam artists and not campaign failures. the fact that either of these two dunderheads had the idea to use kickstarter saves them from that criticism. "kickstarter campaigns are allowed to fail, so what. it's not my money." |
Today, 04:02 PM | #317 |
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So, to be sure I understand: regardless of intent or action on the part of those managing the project, if the end consumer doesn't get their product or their money back, whether through fraud or incompetence, it's a scam? Is that an accurate summation, or am I missing something?
update i have been chasing down my ac company to fix some simple shit because their installers were 100% incompetent and fighting with each other and messed my installation up. leading to the county inspector failing the install; and some rebates for the system. constant weekly phone calls to make sure they are on it, and they have not been. if i didnt have an ac system that worked (the uv light was installed wrong, the inspection was failed because the breakers are 30 am and should be 20 - i think this is stupid), i would feel as though i am out 8k and have been scammed. i'd also start looking into a lawyer. Last edited by THEDARKONE508; Today at 04:05 PM.. |
Today, 04:04 PM | #318 |
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that's what i believe. im glad i wasnt a backer in either of these projects, but i firmly believe that if i pay someone and they've showed incompetence, fraud, or negligence, with the product they promised me and did not deliver that product: i was indeed scammed out of my money.
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Today, 04:06 PM | #319 |
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that's why i added some additional info and then reposted that additional info to a new comment. i went a little further to explain by taking kickstarter out of the equation. it's giving them a sort of safety net for their incompetence.
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Today, 04:42 PM | #320 |
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So, to be sure I understand: regardless of intent or action on the part of those managing the project, if the end consumer doesn't get their product or their money back, whether through fraud or incompetence, it's a scam? Is that an accurate summation, or am I missing something?
At the end of it all intentions don't matter in the slightst. Only what was actually acted upon matters.
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