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07-07-2016, 09:08 PM | #101 |
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07-07-2016, 09:23 PM | #102 |
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July, Barry Corbin's character (the name escapes me)
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07-07-2016, 09:29 PM | #103 |
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Roscoe!
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08-25-2016, 08:31 AM | #104 |
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Per JE Russell:
Let's talk about the elephant in the room, as it's coming up on decision time to decide whether it's going to be made in series 1 as we'd planned, or have to be pushed. Given the GARGANTUAN costs of tooling (it's about the same budget as the ENTIRE figure lineup), the Stagecoach will have some caveats. It will firstly, be a stretch goal all on it's own and NOT included in the "All-IN!" packages. Also, we are working on how to get it produced. The horses have to be static (with removable tack), if you want horses with it at all. We may be able to swing a ball jointed head. Tooling costs and all that. Also, helping reach the stretch goal will only pay for the tooling, and production costs will have to come out on the other side of that. This means that unlocking it, gets you a steep discount on one, not free as a bonus. MSRP is going to be around $129 or so, we think. Given all those details, is it something you can budget for? Conceivably, if you bought just a smaller package (not All-IN!) and this unlocks, you would be able to purchase. Same obviously goes with the "All-IN!" package holders. I know this is all strange, and not how things usually work, but given the massive cash outlay it's going to cost, it's the only way we can think of to get it done. Also, it will come with a driver made out of pre-existing parts. No new tooling, but there will be a figure included. What do you think? In or out? |
08-25-2016, 10:18 AM | #105 |
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Too rich for my blood at that price point unless it included an articulated four horse team as well as the driver they mentioned...which would be ridiculous, I'm sure. If it makes it more within reach (say $50-$60 or so for the coach itself, with harnesses/doubletree/pole - horses and driver sold separately) to wait for wave 2 or beyond that's where I would rather see it. Maybe do a covered wagon first even if you have to skip the "cover" (I have no clue how much soft goods cost to have produced). That way you can get your parts library in place for the frame, harnesses, doubletree, etc. before you tackle the full stagecoach. The bottom line is, I am probably never going to buy a $129+ single vehicle ("Rolling Thunder" sized vehicles notwithstanding) unless I hit the lottery or overall inflation goes up so fast that $129+ is what it costs for a tank of gas. It's not that I don't have $129 I could use to spend on a toy stagecoach, it's just that I wouldn't choose to spend it that way.
Whatever else happens, and whatever gets pushed to later waves, I'd rather get articulated horses first anyway (after the western people themselves). Stagecoaches aren't as central to the western theme as the horses themselves are. I mean, a saloon would be more important than a stagecoach and we aren't panicking to get that. It's just that they dangled the stagecoach out there and we all got really excited to finally see a 1:18 "vehicle" we thought was coming out from a small firm (which would mean someone finally had found a way to break the code on producing such things at sane prices). To the developers I would say this: Focus on figures/accessories first, then properly-articulated horses, then (when you can foot the tooling bill from your own business "pockets") do the various wagons, buildings, and whatever else you can. Beyond that, and I'd say this to all 1:18 startups, release the stuff as kits if you have to in order to keep production costs down. I don't mind building my own stagecoach/building/whatever if it requires no machining and it saves me a significant amount of money. I would be fine with figure kits, too. I can boil/pop figure parts and run screws in where needed for other stuff. I can trim my own flashing from vehicle parts (hell, send the vehicle parts still on the tree/sprue). What seems to kill so many of these projects in their infancy is the cost per figure/item. We all know small-run production is a large part of that added cost, but there are ways to reduce the burden without adversely impacting product quality. Which brings me to the topic of unnecessarily ADDING to the already-high small-run production run costs. Skimp on the packaging, too, for heaven's sake. If some people insist on having collector's packaging then do what MGR did for MTF and produce a limited run of retail-packaged items for them at premium pricing (which they only did for the first KS, by the way...and they STILL haven't sold out of them yet 1|2) while you save the rest of us a bundle of money on cardboard and plastic that will get thrown out anyway. "Eagle Force Returns" did exactly the wrong thing in this respect, IMO, and priced me out of the market in so doing. I was planning to participate in their KS campaign until they came out with a planned price above $20/figure (even at the all-in level) with very few accessories...but with the figures packed in coffin boxes. Now I know there are people buzzing about that packaging on the Eagle Force thread, but that's where you make the limited run of packaged items for those fans to salivate over. They're not all that price-sensitive, as a group, whereas the more casual buyers, army-builders, and people who might actually allow their kids to play with these toys...well, they might prefer not to have that packaging at all if it saves them cash on the figures. That's it. I am putting away my soapbox now.
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08-25-2016, 10:50 AM | #106 |
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They think the only chance the coach has is with the Kickstarter publicity, not a year or two down the line when everyone will be less excited for the Western characters, and they're transitioning to the next Series. The horses will only be static for the coach because they have no faith that both the coach and a fully-articced horse can fund at once, so they're saving the horse for wave2.
I fully agree about packaging, though. I hate paying premium prices for garbage. It's the number one reason I don't buy Club Joes. |
08-25-2016, 10:57 AM | #107 |
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Can one of the Staff change the thread name to 'Dime Novel Legends (of the West) Kickstarter' to reflect the change of the line?
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08-25-2016, 11:03 AM | #108 |
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I'm in agreement with Zap. I am hoping to go all-in on the figures, but the stagecoach is just too much.
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08-25-2016, 11:28 AM | #109 |
I just want foam gliders.
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Done.
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08-25-2016, 11:54 AM | #110 |
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I'm not so sure a wagon is necessary while you're still trying to launch this line successfully. If anything, articulated horses are MORE important than a wagon anyways. When I think westerns, I don't think so much of stage coaches. I think horses of courses.
But no worries, I have three World Peacekeepers horse sets ready and waiting. As for packaging, all of mine ends up in the trash. I have most of my All in HACKs figures lined up on my desk, but only the bagged army sets. I have yet to go to the bother of opening the packages. Fancy packaging is good for retail, useless for kickstarters.
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