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12-13-2023, 04:09 AM | #21 |
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Comicsgate is the ongoing movement of longtime comics creators who have been marginalized or canceled out of the industry by the cancel pigs.
It's a growing movement and much of the comics reading audience has followed them onto crowdfunding mechanisms. As the mainstream continues to choke itself out and generate less interest in general, the creators they've driven out just went and made their own industry. Like Atlas Shrugged. Screw over the talent, drive them out, they'll start their own companies. Actually it's a lot like how Image Comics started except more malevolence on the part of the industry throwing them out in the first place. It's not a company, it's just people who said "I don't need this abuse or racism, I'm just going to do it on my own." And they're supporting each other socially. It's a decentralized community of creators who the industry thought it killed. Their comics regularly bring in six figures in fundraising and they're creating a new secondary market for collectors. The more popular ones bring in seven digits... but a lot of that goes towards paying for the costs of distribution and production. They're also producing action figures now, too. Try to talk about Comicsgate on reddit, or review Cyberfrog on CBR's forums. Your account will get banned. Comicsartprosecrets on Youtube is where their big evening livestreams happen but they're decentralized so there are hundreds of creators involved. Larry said "Hi, I'm Larry Hama and you're watching comics art pro secrets" on camera to help them advertise and so the earlier poster was suggesting he got massive career backlash for saying that, including blacklisting. (I'm saying I don't think that was what happened though). "Ohh! I got canceled! Buy my book! Subscribe to my podcast! Pay my exorbitant speaker fees, institutions that never had any interest in me before I got canceled!" It's like, what if John Galt was a mediocre chump with limited commercial appeal and an over-developed persecution complex who successfully convinced other dudes with a persecution complex that he was a capital-V "Victim" and they were all like, "I will not stand for this injustice! I will pay a premium for your mediocre product in protest of the vile systems that seek to silence you!" I'm not sure that's actually what Ayn had in mind.
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12-14-2023, 01:17 AM | #22 |
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I meant him at a local con a few years back, he’s a bitch in person also… Pretty disappointing I must say.
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12-14-2023, 02:41 AM | #23 |
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Larry and I have a friend in common. Considering the difference in age I felt it was weird but my friend would never tell me how they knew each other. Anyway about ten years ago or so this friend had a booth on the sales floor at NYC CC and hired Larry to do some artwork for his tee shirt company. Larry was at the booth to sign autographs and promote the company. My friend invited me to hang out with him at the booth for a while. A few of us were doing shots at the booth and having a good time. There were some other bigger named 80s pros there who I was already acquainted with. They were all very friendly, except for Larry who was standoffish. I’m not very outgoing myself so I tried not to take it personally but it wasn’t an encounter that would make me seek him out again. We all have our off days and there have been plenty of times where folks have caught me in a foul mood too. I tried not to let the experience sour me on the guy but after that I just kept hearing of similar encounters so never went out of my way to meet the guy again even if I was invited to. I don’t let it affect my feelings about his work. Most of the artists who’s work that I like are jerks. You have to learn to separate the art from the artist I guess.
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12-14-2023, 03:33 AM | #24 |
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Comicsgate is the ongoing movement of longtime comics creators who have been marginalized or canceled out of the industry by the cancel pigs.
It's a growing movement and much of the comics reading audience has followed them onto crowdfunding mechanisms. As the mainstream continues to choke itself out and generate less interest in general, the creators they've driven out just went and made their own industry. Like Atlas Shrugged. Screw over the talent, drive them out, they'll start their own companies. Actually it's a lot like how Image Comics started except more malevolence on the part of the industry throwing them out in the first place. It's not a company, it's just people who said "I don't need this abuse or racism, I'm just going to do it on my own." And they're supporting each other socially. It's a decentralized community of creators who the industry thought it killed. Their comics regularly bring in six figures in fundraising and they're creating a new secondary market for collectors. The more popular ones bring in seven digits... but a lot of that goes towards paying for the costs of distribution and production. They're also producing action figures now, too. Try to talk about Comicsgate on reddit, or review Cyberfrog on CBR's forums. Your account will get banned. Comicsartprosecrets on Youtube is where their big evening livestreams happen but they're decentralized so there are hundreds of creators involved. Larry said "Hi, I'm Larry Hama and you're watching comics art pro secrets" on camera to help them advertise and so the earlier poster was suggesting he got massive career backlash for saying that, including blacklisting. (I'm saying I don't think that was what happened though).
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12-14-2023, 04:59 AM | #25 |
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So... they got "canceled" but they're just as popular (maybe more so?) and are more successful than ever? Wow! It's almost like "Cancel Culture" is just a marketing ploy devised by commercially toxic assholes to sell their shit directly to assholes who want to support their fellow assholes.
"Ohh! I got canceled! Buy my book! Subscribe to my podcast! Pay my exorbitant speaker fees, institutions that never had any interest in me before I got canceled!" It's like, what if John Galt was a mediocre chump with limited commercial appeal and an over-developed persecution complex who successfully convinced other dudes with a persecution complex that he was a capital-V "Victim" and they were all like, "I will not stand for this injustice! I will pay a premium for your mediocre product in protest of the vile systems that seek to silence you!" I'm not sure that's actually what Ayn had in mind. The answer is no. You don't get to take part in a massive culture-wide destruction campaign and intentionally destroy thousands of careers of people who refused to bend the knee to corporate mandates and social stigmatization campaigns and then pretend like the people whose careers you attacked and whose names you smeared were just imagining it. STEP. OFF. CANCEL. PIG.
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12-14-2023, 07:39 AM | #26 |
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By the way I love the art in your signature. I read Cross County?s word ballon every time you post. It make me smile every time.
Cheers!
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12-14-2023, 09:03 AM | #27 |
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Hama's support of women and minorities in comics and media is nothing new. Edit, skit to 3:29 for his thoughts on the matter:
Chat him up at a con, he's proud that from the start of ARAH he wrote those types of characters as having equal value. The whole "Make Storm Shadow a good guy" plotline was Larry trying to redeem the only Asian character from that universe from being portrayed as evil. Last edited by SpottedEagleSvn; 12-14-2023 at 09:07 AM.. |
12-14-2023, 10:10 AM | #28 |
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My experiences with him aside, I would like to point out that I've heard from more than person that Mr. Hama has difficulty seeing/hearing. (Could be both, could be one or the other.) That could be why he seems less approachable in con settings where the noise and distractions can seem endless. I share this as a practicing recluse.
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12-14-2023, 01:32 PM | #29 |
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My experiences with him aside, I would like to point out that I've heard from more than person that Mr. Hama has difficulty seeing/hearing. (Could be both, could be one or the other.) That could be why he seems less approachable in con settings where the noise and distractions can seem endless. I share this as a practicing recluse.
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12-14-2023, 04:37 PM | #30 |
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No.
The answer is no. You don't get to take part in a massive culture-wide destruction campaign and intentionally destroy thousands of careers of people who refused to bend the knee to corporate mandates and social stigmatization campaigns and then pretend like the people whose careers you attacked and whose names you smeared were just imagining it. STEP. OFF. CANCEL. PIG. Let's say I own a little bar and grill. Live music 7 nights a week. My Tuesday night guy--let's call him Polka Joe--is good. He plays hardcore polka--not really my thing, but he's built up a solid following. More and more, though, he's started running his mouth a bit, stirring shit up. He's upset a couple of my regulars and my bartender says he doesn't want to work Tuesday nights anymore. Then he decides that he should be playing Thursday nights as well. He starts talking shit about my Thursday night act and a couple of his fans start leaving nasty notes on her car. I finally decide, as the owner of my business, that this dude is more trouble than he's worth. More importantly, he's just not a good fit for the kind of atmosphere I'm trying to create at my bar, so I drop him. My Tuesday night business tanks, but whatcha gonna do? It's my business, my choice, my loss. Meanwhile, Polka Joe is talented, he's got a loyal fanbase and a can-do spirit. He pulls himself up by his bootstraps and lands himself a new Tuesday night gig--smaller bar, a little out of the way, but his fans are happy to follow him. Pretty soon, he's opened his own place and hardcore polka fans come from far and wide to hear their favorite music at an establishment where they feel at home. The free market does its free market thing and the world keeps spinnning. Alternatively, Polka Joe decides to make my decision to no longer employ him his entire identity. He sets up a card table across the street where he hand out leaflets about the injustices he's suffered and how I kowtowed to a couple of customers and my uppity bartender. He starts a podcast where other hardcore polka musicians discuss how none of the local clubs have hardcore polka nights anymore, how we all hate the hardcore polka loving majority and we're all hemorrhaging cash by trying to appear all hip and featuring new bands that play different kinds of music that's nowhere near as good as hardcore polka. His podcast attracts a huge global audience who also feel like the victims of an insidious anti-hardcore polka conspiracy! Occasionally, Joe still plays music, but it turns out the real money is in the professional victim industry, loudly complaining to people who agree with you. And the free market does its free market thing and the world keeps spinning.
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