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02-11-2017, 10:00 PM | #1 |
Zarana & Zandar
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Moving this over to here so that Hamaverse thread isn't clogged down with irrelevancies.
I just don't understand how someone with so much ability to build up characters chooses not to do something since a character(s') inception, and just all but shuns those fans. That's how it comes across to me. I'm not feeling any love from him as a fan, I can tell you that. To me, being a professional does not mean doing whatever you want. It means doing to the absolute best of your ability, even if you may not like something or don't want to do it. And never forgetting there are fans of those things you may not even like. And as for me saying Hama should be replaced. All iconic fiction has to pass hands eventually, especially if it's a franchise. (I don't know why I even bother posting. Nobody answers me except to run me down most of the time.) Last edited by Dreadnok Twins; 02-12-2017 at 12:34 AM.. |
02-12-2017, 12:16 PM | #2 |
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Don't let them get to you. Larry ultimately still has to answer to Hasbro although he created the characters he does not own them Hasbro could pull him off the book or take the license away from IDW anytime they want. If the sales stay where they are that might be a possibility. The audience isn't what it used to be for any comic. The problem is the only letters that get published in the postbox are from ass kissers and boot lickers it makes you wonder since the letters going to Hama go through IDW first, is he even getting that Alot of us are not happy with his current direction. You would think that the sales would be an indication.
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02-12-2017, 12:32 PM | #3 |
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Send him the action figures. Everyone always forgets Zandar.
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02-12-2017, 03:19 PM | #4 |
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I tried writing this several different ways, but I'll just have to be honest with you: If nobody is answering you, it is because you come across as a fanatic. It can be off-putting when your only apparent interest is in complaining about these two specific characters.
FWIW, your point is somewhat valid. GI Joe is, by nature, a series with a really huge cast. It is heavily plot- and action-centric. Individual characters rarely have any characterization, and their lives and personalities are not usually explored in depth. If all you care about is one or two characters in this huge ensemble cast, you are setting yourself up for disappointment, because that is just not what the book is about. And it does suck when you become interested in a minor or secondary character, and you've got to hunt for rare appearances here and there. And I think it is kind of a Catch-22, because they don't want to write stories about unpopular secondary characters... But if they did invest more time in those minor characters, then they might become popular and they would be minor characters anymore. But that brings me to my second point: Being "professional" is about delivering a quality product, but it is also about making money. And so they are going to write about the characters they think will have the most interest. It is crass, and a little exploitative, and that's why you get repetitive books where Wolverine is a member of every superhero team (just as an example). But I don't think that it is about giving every fan what they want, or giving equal time to minor characters. It is nice when the producers do things like that, but the occasions when they are willing to sacrifice profits for fan service are rare. So my advice to you is to diversify a little bit. I think everyone has their own favorite characters or subject matter that they would like to see more of. But focusing on what you're not getting won't make the comic any more enjoyable. And I suspect more people would be willing to discuss things with you if you explored mutual interests and other subjects. |
02-12-2017, 03:27 PM | #5 |
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^^^THIS, lol. Hama seems to do well with inclusion of certain characters when provided tangible, visual stimulation. See Red Shadows and the Full Force gang who sent him figures!
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02-15-2017, 03:50 AM | #6 |
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Originally Posted by 1982
Don't let them get to you. Larry ultimately still has to answer to Hasbro although he created the characters he does not own them Hasbro could pull him off the book or take the license away from IDW anytime they want. If the sales stay where they are that might be a possibility. The audience isn't what it used to be for any comic. The problem is the only letters that get published in the postbox are from ass kissers and boot lickers it makes you wonder since the letters going to Hama go through IDW first, is he even getting that Alot of us are not happy with his current direction. You would think that the sales would be an indication.
Yeah, Larry might not even be getting the whole picture. I try not to write to creators through the IDW letters email if I can help it, unless there's something I want the entire creative team to read. Not sure my emails would be forwarded to the creators otherwise. Not really a good feeling as a reader. I'm not one of those privileged fans they communicate with like a buddy. Quote:
Originally Posted by Stalker
Send him the action figures. Everyone always forgets Zandar.
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Originally Posted by solosam
I tried writing this several different ways, but I'll just have to be honest with you: If nobody is answering you, it is because you come across as a fanatic. It can be off-putting when your only apparent interest is in complaining about these two specific characters.
FWIW, your point is somewhat valid. GI Joe is, by nature, a series with a really huge cast. It is heavily plot- and action-centric. Individual characters rarely have any characterization, and their lives and personalities are not usually explored in depth. If all you care about is one or two characters in this huge ensemble cast, you are setting yourself up for disappointment, because that is just not what the book is about. And it does suck when you become interested in a minor or secondary character, and you've got to hunt for rare appearances here and there. And I think it is kind of a Catch-22, because they don't want to write stories about unpopular secondary characters... But if they did invest more time in those minor characters, then they might become popular and they would be minor characters anymore. But that brings me to my second point: Being "professional" is about delivering a quality product, but it is also about making money. And so they are going to write about the characters they think will have the most interest. It is crass, and a little exploitative, and that's why you get repetitive books where Wolverine is a member of every superhero team (just as an example). But I don't think that it is about giving every fan what they want, or giving equal time to minor characters. It is nice when the producers do things like that, but the occasions when they are willing to sacrifice profits for fan service are rare. So my advice to you is to diversify a little bit. I think everyone has their own favorite characters or subject matter that they would like to see more of. But focusing on what you're not getting won't make the comic any more enjoyable. And I suspect more people would be willing to discuss things with you if you explored mutual interests and other subjects. I'd more than happily "fan market" lesser-known or lesser-featured characters if it led to more information about them or even, some more usage out of them. But I tend to have no effect, so why bother. Zandar & Zarana are my top favorite characters in GI Joe. Other characters are distant second. I don't mean to come across as a fanatic, and this seems not to matter depending upon who you are. I can be as well thought out and polite and optimistic as possible, and still get ignored. Even Hama ignored a letter from me a year or so back--and that one took weeks to write and had proofreaders. I still say a character like Zandar can make them money--just market it toward straight females and gay males. Anyway, I continue to write to them, without too much frequency, despite being ignored, and I wonder, what do they make of my feedback, if anything? Quote:
Originally Posted by ozzie92
^^^THIS, lol. Hama seems to do well with inclusion of certain characters when provided tangible, visual stimulation. See Red Shadows and the Full Force gang who sent him figures!
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02-15-2017, 08:05 AM | #7 |
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Not anything personal at all, but your comments leave me a little sore. I know of someone, who I'm not going to name, who comes across as fanatical, whom they have no trouble communicating with. So I take it personally when they don't bother communicating with me, even to answer a single letter.
TBH, if I was a creator, I wouldn't respond to obviously fanatical fans out of fear of feeding their obsession.
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02-15-2017, 08:20 AM | #8 |
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If I'm in a bad mood/sad/whatever I don't write letters to anyone. I wait until I'm feeling better, but sometimes that can take awhile. I should follow that with posting here. ;) If I was a pro, I'd interact with all but the most obsessive fans--the ones who are disconnected from reality and think the characters are real, type of fans. Obsession is usually driven by something else. Last edited by Dreadnok Twins; 02-15-2017 at 08:22 AM.. |
02-15-2017, 03:39 PM | #9 |
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From what I recall, Zarana had a significant presence in the Marvel run, AND the DDP run. Zandar less in Marvel, but was quite important in the rebirth of Serpentor storyline from DDP. Are you up on those?
For my part, while I sympathize with your desire to see certain characters represented in the comic, when looking at the breadth and width of the roster available in GI Joe, Z and Z have received significant page-time, especially when compared to some of the later characters from the ARAH line. For instance - Recoil, Pathfinder, Rampart, Bullhorn, Sub-Zero, Longarm, Gristle...the list goes on. And many of those that did show up had nary a line or integral character point - They were there to hold a weapon. Hell, I'm still bummed he killed off Quick-Kick. :-) But I can't begrudge Hama for it. He was trying to play in the playground, while telling a coherent story - So he went to the tools (characters) that worked for him. It is very difficult, as a writer, to force a character into a story just to have that character be represented, especially if that will cause the writer to feel the story doesn't resonate. And I know Larry had to do it more than he'd have liked, based on some old interviews. Have you considered writing your own Z&Z story? Maybe something for the Kindle Worlds crowd? If you're putting weeks of effort into a letter and soliciting proof-readers, maybe this is the next logical step? |
02-15-2017, 07:26 PM | #10 |
Zarana & Zandar
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Originally Posted by GigaMach
From what I recall, Zarana had a significant presence in the Marvel run, AND the DDP run. Zandar less in Marvel, but was quite important in the rebirth of Serpentor storyline from DDP. Are you up on those?
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For my part, while I sympathize with your desire to see certain characters represented in the comic, when looking at the breadth and width of the roster available in GI Joe, Z and Z have received significant page-time, especially when compared to some of the later characters from the ARAH line.
For instance - Recoil, Pathfinder, Rampart, Bullhorn, Sub-Zero, Longarm, Gristle...the list goes on. And many of those that did show up had nary a line or integral character point - They were there to hold a weapon. Hell, I'm still bummed he killed off Quick-Kick. :-) Quote:
But I can't begrudge Hama for it. He was trying to play in the playground, while telling a coherent story - So he went to the tools (characters) that worked for him. It is very difficult, as a writer, to force a character into a story just to have that character be represented, especially if that will cause the writer to feel the story doesn't resonate. And I know Larry had to do it more than he'd have liked, based on some old interviews.
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Have you considered writing your own Z&Z story? Maybe something for the Kindle Worlds crowd? If you're putting weeks of effort into a letter and soliciting proof-readers, maybe this is the next logical step?
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