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07-30-2009, 12:03 AM | #7831 |
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Thanks for posting the link to the comic. I think it was very helpful. Obviously some unbelievable comic stuff happens, but all in all I think it provides an account of training that can be adapted into a realistic Joeverse.
THe question remains: how do we understand Super Trooper? Rapid Fire and Lattimer and De Niro were equiped like the new Pit Commando, and if they came with larger shields (like the one from the upcoming 5 pack) and in different Paint schemes - for example: RF in Urban camo, Lattimer in Jungle/woodland camo, De Niro in Desert Camo - I think these characters could really work well. It's interesting that Goddard will be remembered as a Super Trooper... which begs the question: Does there only have to be one? ONE per specialty? If Lattimer is an 18/11 B, and RF is like an 18/11 C, would De Niro be like an 18/Intelligence Operative (His specialty was Covert Operations)... sort of like a Claymore of the Super Troopers? I understand the need for variety in toylines, but had they given him and Rapid Fire some better digs, I could more easily reconcile his role as a covert operator. I think "only one" means one per class. However, when you think about Goddard's death and Flint's reaction, the training for this position seems unnecessarily sadistic and contrary to real military training. There's no emphasis on team and Goddard's death isn't viewed as an unfortunate accident but as some kind of "weeding out" necessity. I've noticed this and some other odd principles that the Joes teach their units. In various Marvel issues and even in the new IDW issues, Joes are taught to leave others behind in order to complete the mission, unlike the current idea that no man is left behind. When Scarlett is in danger in Origins, Duke is not at all concerned with helping her. GI Joe seems to put a lot of emphasis on individualism. |
07-30-2009, 12:17 AM | #7832 |
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The shield always made me think of him as an urban specialist, more along the lines of a SWAT leader. I can't envision him being a one-man team, especially since Lattimer is an officer, whose primary role is to lead others, so who's he leading?
I understand the need for variety in toylines, but had they given him and Rapid Fire some better digs, I could more easily reconcile his role as a covert operator. I think "only one" means one per class. However, when you think about Goddard's death and Flint's reaction, the training for this position seems unnecessarily sadistic and contrary to real military training. There's no emphasis on team and Goddard's death isn't viewed as an unfortunate accident but as some kind of "weeding out" necessity. I've noticed this and some other odd principles that the Joes teach their units. In various Marvel issues and even in the new IDW issues, Joes are taught to leave others behind in order to complete the mission, unlike the current idea that no man is left behind. When Scarlett is in danger in Origins, Duke is not at all concerned with helping her. GI Joe seems to put a lot of emphasis on individualism. I suppose G.I. Joe should qualify as as one of those "Tier One" special operations forces. It's like Delta/DevGru/SAS/ISA rolled into one. Mission First. I think one per class makes the most sense. I think you're right about that, and I also think what you're saying about officers also makes the most sense. However, maybe it's more about a capacity/capability to lead. I mean, if Super Trooper or Rapid Fire were alone, they would be perfectly capable of operating alone. However, as Officers, they also have the training and authority to lead if they needed to. It also presupposes a level of education and intelligence that an operator like Super Trooper would need. About the Shield... well, I think what you're saying makes a lot of sense. It does seem like an item better used for an urban environment. However, it could honestly be a great tool for maneuver warfare in any environment because it allows an individual soldier to move through the battle field by providing his own article of cover. He could sort of throw it out into the battle field, and it would give him a point to move/rally to. Sort of like "Insta-Cover" And if it was sort of reflective, it could reflect it's environment... sort of like a futuristic camouflage.
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07-30-2009, 12:18 AM | #7833 |
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In fact, what if we looked at Super Trooper's Chrome not as chrome, but as a reflective camo... it simply reflects it's surrounding environment. Just a theory, but how else would you represent something like that in a toy?
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07-30-2009, 12:32 AM | #7834 |
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True, they may feel that someone with leadership qualities and the capacity is a better candidate but why not select a senior NCO who has more field experience than a Lt?
I feel that Flint and Falcon's involvement implies that the training is certainly special forces like in nature, plus the filecard states it's a top secret school. ST seems like a well-rounded soldier, proficient in most fields and highly motivated. I suppose he could be put in charge of most units in most environments and lead with little preparation. |
07-30-2009, 12:35 AM | #7835 |
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Or perhaps it's reflective capabilities distract and distort the enemy's line of sight, adding an element of deception to his movements.
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07-30-2009, 12:38 AM | #7836 |
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I'm not sure what to make of the chrome other than the fact that it looks cool. Rapid Fire on the other hand is a lost soul. His neon clothes say Rapid Target.
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07-30-2009, 12:43 AM | #7837 |
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If we look at Rapid Fire's uniform from the 1993 12" figure, I think we see a figure that we would all liked to have seen in 3 3/4 size. He's remarkably similar to the PIT Commando in his uniform and accessories. His file card makes a lot of sense and sheds a lot more light on the subject - it lists his training as being identical to that of Lattimer's. To my mind, that means Rapid-Fire is a Super Trooper. He's also called the "Ultimate Commando" in this file card. Obviously it's hyperbole, but perhaps he's the leader of the Super Trooper Corps? Just a thought. If we take the 12" figure as a more realistic example of the Super Trooper Program, I think we see the potential for three very effective combat officers. I suppose I would orient them towards different specialties and different environments. The Original Super Trooper wore dark green pants and a green shirt... he seems intended for the woods. Rapid Fire's 12" figure is certainly intended for urban combat... what if there had been a De Niro figure... would his colors have been oriented for the desert or night ops? Just a theory.
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07-30-2009, 12:48 AM | #7838 |
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That was good urban camo back in the late 80's and early 90's ;)
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07-30-2009, 12:48 AM | #7839 |
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That's certainly possible. It also offers another feature that we don't often see in modern warfare: a rally point for friendly forces. He would be visible all over the battle field, so if he had to go in quickly and take command, soldiers could instantly recognize him and understand what was going on.
If we look at Rapid Fire's uniform from the 1993 12" figure, I think we see a figure that we would all liked to have seen in 3 3/4 size. He's remarkably similar to the PIT Commando in his uniform and accessories. His file card makes a lot of sense and sheds a lot more light on the subject - it lists his training as being identical to that of Lattimer's. To my mind, that means Rapid-Fire is a Super Trooper. He's also called the "Ultimate Commando" in this file card. Obviously it's hyperbole, but perhaps he's the leader of the Super Trooper Corps? Just a thought. If we take the 12" figure as a more realistic example of the Super Trooper Program, I think we see the potential for three very effective combat officers. I suppose I would orient them towards different specialties and different environments. The Original Super Trooper wore dark green pants and a green shirt... he seems intended for the woods. Rapid Fire's 12" figure is certainly intended for urban combat... what if there had been a De Niro figure... would his colors have been oriented for the desert or night ops? Just a theory. |
07-30-2009, 12:51 AM | #7840 |
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But how does ST rate compared to other Joes? Is he better trained and more "elite" than Claymore or Falcon? Is ST to rapid warfare what Outback is to survival? And how do we define rapid warfare? Is he a "first response" unit?
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