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04-22-2024, 08:14 PM | #81 |
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...entirely dependent on the tiers I suspect. Not many haven't made it all the way.. the only two that come to mind are Giant Man and the Skystriker... and neither of their final tiers were "must have" type items.
The Rancor actually went backwards as each tier was announced because the tiers were terrible. I know that one failed, but I think it failed almost solely based on the Tiers being so bad. I don't think the Joe Team would make that mistake. |
04-22-2024, 08:18 PM | #82 |
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Glenda was odd because that totally could have been Pilot Scarlett.
Unfortunately for me, probably $200 later on Ebay it will be LOL. |
04-22-2024, 08:33 PM | #83 |
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Wasn't the Dragonfly $275 and the HISS $299? If we're going with the assumption it is the Rattler, it will be substantially bigger than the Dragonfly and so I would be shocked to see it come in under $300. Also, with inflation and the rising shipping costs for overseas production, I am braced for a price hike.
There is a possibility Hasbro holds the line and tries to hit $275 on it and they did surprise me with both the Ferret and VAMP pricing each of which came in about 25% lower than my expectations. They are two for two of being in the $300 range. Maybe if they go for something between the VAMP and the HISS or Dragonfly they might put out a $200 HasLab, like ML did with Giant-Man, but I'm budgeting for the $300 price point and will take the win if they come in well below that. |
04-22-2024, 09:07 PM | #84 |
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I still think the moray would be better than the rattler for display. Even though rattler is awesome
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04-22-2024, 10:05 PM | #85 |
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I'm not an eloquent man.. lol
I was trying to say it slowed down and took a while to hit all tiers because there was a subset of backers that needed to know what all the tiers were first to see if that made it worth it to them. Once it hit Glenda it very clearly stalled out so I think it's fair to say some people were on the fence and that did nothing to convince them it was worth it yet. When I said it was never in danger of funding, I meant because it already was before it slowed down. Those weren't really points that went together I guess.. just two observations about how that Haslab sort of played out. I'll concede I did not say that well. It's always better in my head then when I type it out.
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04-22-2024, 11:03 PM | #86 |
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The secondary market got flooded with HISS tanks by people looking to flip them. If people sold it since it's been released then it's a relatively poor ROI when everything is said and done especially considering all the hassle you gotta go through due to it's size with the cost of shipping and waiting a year. The secondary market is also extremely poor right now with high priced collectibles so you have to factor in how many bought HISS tanks with the intention to flip them who probably won't back the next haslab or just buy the amount they want for themselves. Couple that with a vehicle that might not be feasible or appealing as the HISS and we might see a drastic dropoff in the amount of backers.
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I think Glenda slowed it down tremendously and then keeping the tiers a secret until the one before it was unlocked were also factors. Just launch the HASLAB and list all the tiers right away so everyone can make an informed decision from the get go.
They can say the vehicle is the price of the Haslab and everything else is just a free add on but we all know that is not true. The Dragonfly was not the value people thought it should be on it's own so many waited to see all the unlocks to decide if it was. I think that's the only reason it took so long. Had they given the tiers from day one.. maybe it would have hit all tiers much faster.. even with the slow down on tier two.. it was already funded.. it was never in danger of not funding. Quote:
and split window, so I thus wouldn't really get much use out of the retro stuff this time. Quote:
and I think this would be a good time for one for Joe.
Joe is kind of unique where it's targeting the same fans every time. Transformers Haslab: Unicron-General G1 and a broader fanbase, Victory Saber- Japanese G1, Deathsaurus- Japanese G1, Omega Prime- RID Marvel Legends: Sentinel- X-men, Galactus- Fantastic Four/Cosmic, Hell Charger- Supernatural, Giant Man-Avengers, Summer 2024- Rumored to be Fantastic Four Vintage Collection: Sail Barge- OT, Razor Crest - Mandoverse, Ghost - Rebels (but also Mandoverse) All of those targeted different fanbases but was also good for people that buy everything. I don't think switching it up between Cobra and Joe is exactly the same in terms of variety. If the Skystriker had been more successful, an o-ring vehicle every once in a while would be a decent palate cleanser I like Classified because it IS NOT O-ring. Short of a Cobra Transport Helicopter I doubt i'd support an O-Ring Haslab. at least not one I can think of right now.. a new mould Cobra Transport Helicopter though... yeah that I would BUY. with great pleasure. Quote:
& one can also get various effects with some parts swapping (and if they make Freestyle or such like then other options of female flight gear may materialise soon enough to provide other options that don't require gutting Glenda for parts. Quote:
A decent Watercraft would be useful as a Haslab (even the APC perhaps), I think they can perhaps stretch to doing the Warthog as a retail item though to be honest. Though it could be a Haslab too if they felt the need. I think it would sell fine enough as a normal release. & stuggle a bit as a Haslab.. especially when it might be seen as to much a personal vehicle for the Sarge & so discourage multi-buys. But it would be something with some similarity to a Hiss in that it would be a treaded vehicle with interior carry space that also mounts rocket/missiles. If it would do better or worse than a Havoc is a trickier question... The APC is likely a safer bet (even at an even higher price than normal). But yes I would really like the Moray a lot in fact it would be my 1st choice for 2026 with no other competition (well maybe the Bugg.. but I have a thing for the Bugg). Quote:
The more desirable the tier figures the better value your vehicles become if your buying more than one and are flipping the extras... Cobra Commander for example is nearly twice the price of a Hiss Crewmember. But none of them so far seem to be so valuable that anyone other than the very prompt sellers got their money back for the Hiss just by selling the figures. I'm still wondering if I need a Second Dragonfly or not... To many factors to consider, the availability of upgrades is even a factor for me on that too. As to be honest the funky tail and nose put me off buying more than one originally. But if those pieces are removable then they could be upgradeable too. |
04-22-2024, 11:52 PM | #87 |
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Giant-Man was, oddly, way too big for the usual portrayal of the character. The face scuplts were a bit off and the alternate heads were very niche. If they had reduced the size by around a third and included the Giant-Man and Wasp from the recent two-pack as tier unlocks, I think it would have done much better. I'm a classic Avengers ML collector, and I passed on Giant-Man with no regrets. Between the Engine of Vengeance and Giant-Man, the Legends team has made some questionable choices in recent HasLabs.
While the Joe team has done much better, the slower performance of the Dragonfly, despite the cheaper price point, does give me some pause. While it turned out alright in the end, stalling before unlocking tiers 2 and 3 was unexpected. There is also a chance external economic factors may make a $300+ toy a lot less appealing this go around. I'm hoping the next Joe HasLab does well, but I am not nearly as confident as some Tankers. |
04-23-2024, 12:19 AM | #88 |
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Hasbro once said when asked why they never made a Gi Joe C-130 that they thought a kids would crash it into door ways because the wings span would be to wide... well what about now.. if there is any demand for 3.75" again (or at some point in the next 5 years) then why not a Haslab 1/18th C-130 'Hercules" Transport plane for your Gi Joes one year and a Cobra Transport Helicopter another year.
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Some of the points you mentioned is part of the reason why I think Hasbro is going to play it safe this year and go with the Mauler/MOBAT. You can still price the Mauler at around the $300 price point and it is a guaranteed success. Some may point out that the Joes just got a haslab vehicle last year but at the same time they just did an air vehicle last year as well. I think it's better to rotate between land>air>land>air than factions. Now I'm not against the Moray and I think the Moray would do better than the Rattler.
This year "should" be Cobra or Iron Grenadiers (etc) and next year back go Gi Joe again. Though I won't cry to much if they did mix it up a bit and do 2 a year (one being a repaint). I think the Tier figures start to be an issue and well if they can make Titan Class Transformers for silly money they can likely make a Hiss Tank repaint without the drama of more tier figures. I think there is some merit to introducing an enhanced pre-order system... but that didn't work out to well for some toys . Hasbro isn't trying to sell to retailers though it is just direct to consumering those things Unless Target decide to risk it anyway. Ordinary I'd say they wouldn't but maybe as a Online only offering they might. I like the Rattler and I'd totally buy a Rattler but I'd play with the Moray more as it has more crew position and more potential interactions with other figures and vehicles. Not that the Rattler isn't fun. But you need someone else handy to be carrying around the Dragonfly to get the full combat effect I guess. Last edited by RedAlert Rescue; 04-23-2024 at 12:22 AM.. |
04-23-2024, 04:28 AM | #89 |
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Full Force podcast, I think? It's been a while. I have a bad habit of remembering information, but forgetting where I got it from. lol
Like I said, it could just be rumour or wishful thinking. In either case, we'll find out in a few months.
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04-23-2024, 07:01 AM | #90 |
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A large boat would also serve as an anchor for an aquatic eco-system: the smaller craft like the Water Moccasin, Devilsh, SHARC, Manta, Cobra Night Landing, and Cobra HydroSled could be put out as smaller vehicles in the shipping year and year after to add value. If they do two consecutive aquatic HasLabs (which would make sense), they can spread the smaller vehicles out over 3 or 4 years, so only one or two water-based offerings a year to keep the line from being overly focused. That being said, I've heard a couple times that boat-themed toys and naval stuff doesn't sell as well as land and air vehicles. Looking back at RAH, the aquatic-themed vehicles are far less common than land and air. So, that may be a knock against even trying it as a HasLab given how precious those slots are. But, I'd still love to see it. In pure speculation mode, I could talk myself into the following: * 2024 HasLab: Cobra Rattler * 2025 HasLab: G.I. Joe Mauler/MOBAT * 2026 HasLab: Cobra Moray * 2027 HasLab: G.I. Joe Killer WHALE |
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