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02-28-2024, 01:06 PM | #21 |
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even paper dolls being paper still have removable clothes and they're called dolls. |
02-28-2024, 02:00 PM | #22 |
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I think I'm in the camp where if the clothes are intended to be removable or interchangeable and made of fabric, it's a doll.
I have 7 or 8 Sideshow and Hot Toys "dolls", but I don't care what they are called. I don't see those as "action figures" necessarily, but if they are "dolls", so be it. I'm 100% okay with that. I just have some really cool dolls! lol
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02-28-2024, 02:47 PM | #23 |
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I think I'm in the camp where if the clothes are intended to be removable or interchangeable and made of fabric, it's a doll.
I have 7 or 8 Sideshow and Hot Toys "dolls", but I don't care what they are called. I don't see those as "action figures" necessarily, but if they are "dolls", so be it. I'm 100% okay with that. I just have some really cool dolls! lol I think "action doll" is appropriate for Hot Toys or old school Joes, because they can move, and be posed in ways reflecting action of different sorts. In that sense, Ken isn't best represented as an action figure, to me, because he just can't move very much. Unless I'm mistaken, it's just a cut joint at the neck, shoulders, and legs, right? Slightly articulated plastic statue doll! A figure is just a representation of a person. You can draw a person and and it is a figure. The "figure" terminology for a toy, then, can really refer to anything so long as it is a person. Robots seem to be given a pass here because they are usually anthropomorphic. |
02-28-2024, 03:04 PM | #24 |
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Ken in fatigues is still a Man of Inaction, or an Inaction Figure, or an AWOL Doll.
Ken is a wuss, and everyone knows it. Clothes don't make the man, man. G.I.Joe can wear a pink beret, or break dance in a Cobra night club in awful 80's fashion and STILL be an action figure. And maybe still a doll. I don't care. |
02-28-2024, 03:11 PM | #25 |
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I think I'm in the camp where if the clothes are intended to be removable or interchangeable and made of fabric, it's a doll.
I have 7 or 8 Sideshow and Hot Toys "dolls", but I don't care what they are called. I don't see those as "action figures" necessarily, but if they are "dolls", so be it. I'm 100% okay with that. I just have some really cool dolls! lol Like a Threezero 1/6 figure. Fully cloth outfits that are non-removable unless you cut them off. |
02-28-2024, 03:14 PM | #26 |
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I think I'm in the camp where if the clothes are intended to be removable or interchangeable and made of fabric, it's a doll.
I have 7 or 8 Sideshow and Hot Toys "dolls", but I don't care what they are called. I don't see those as "action figures" necessarily, but if they are "dolls", so be it. I'm 100% okay with that. I just have some really cool dolls! lol Quote:
I'm a 1/6 scale collector, and am happy calling them dolls. But more than the removable outfits, for me, it's convention of toys representing typically people in that scale, since Barbie is the starting point for much of it.
I think "action doll" is appropriate for Hot Toys or old school Joes, because they can move, and be posed in ways reflecting action of different sorts. In that sense, Ken isn't best represented as an action figure, to me, because he just can't move very much. Unless I'm mistaken, it's just a cut joint at the neck, shoulders, and legs, right? Slightly articulated plastic statue doll! A figure is just a representation of a person. You can draw a person and and it is a figure. The "figure" terminology for a toy, then, can really refer to anything so long as it is a person. Robots seem to be given a pass here because they are usually anthropomorphic. I had looney tunes paper dolls, a Ken doll, AT GI Joe, and much later Hall of Fame stuff as a kid, and I considered them all dolls. All of the other "people toys" were action figures, except for Lego people, which was always just Lego. I never considered Transformers to be action figures, they were a weird hybrid of 2 toy types. The toy industry has consistently called things intended to have removable clothes as a point of play a doll since at least the 1940s. As the percentage of people-toys with removable clothing has dropped since that time, it's become the obvious distinction for most regular folks. Size is also an association, but only because with anything smaller than Mego figures, it's really impractical to include more than one or two soft goods items on a figure without it looking puffy and awful (some of the Mego figures do too). The Glamour Gals are a perfect example of this being tried and going sideways. The people this rubs the wrong way are the ones who like to use the term "doll" to get a rise out of overly-sensitive people who are already uncomfortable sharing their hobby with outsiders, which I think is a dick move, as all it does is make the people being poked at double down on dolls being some taboo thing, and confuses a pretty well-known distinction.
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02-28-2024, 03:25 PM | #27 |
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I'm not sold on outfit being important enough to differentiate with. Classified Tripwire comes with a second outfit. Most of the classified figures have removable outfit pieces if you try hard enough and don't mind using a little heat.
Not sold on articulation either. The Page Punchers are "action figures" but are barely articulated. TBLeague/Phicen are "dolls," but have a better range of motion than many "Action Figures." If not for the "plays with dolls" schoolyard insult that boys of a certain age may have heard, I don't think most people would care. I do buy "Intention" as mattering, but that's all in our heads again. Quote:
The people this rubs the wrong way are the ones who like to use the term "doll" to get a rise out of overly-sensitive people who are already uncomfortable sharing their hobby with outsiders, which I think is a dick move, as all it does is make the people being poked at double down on dolls being some taboo thing, and confuses a pretty well-known distinction.
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02-28-2024, 03:33 PM | #28 |
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02-28-2024, 03:41 PM | #29 |
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You know those Modern Barbie Looks dolls? 1/6ths, 12 inchers etc?
They have better articulation then some of the older 12 inch joes now. You can make them do Martial Arts or crazy stuff these days almost exactly like a Power Team elite figure, it's blurring there. If there's any real drawback, it's the damn hair. For my Niece's dolls I've had to use detergent and a hair brush to redo the hair after a happy accident (Not happy for me) in the Mud. It turned out like a treasure troll, so I had my cousin redo it.
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02-28-2024, 03:54 PM | #30 |
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The people this rubs the wrong way are the ones who like to use the term "doll" to get a rise out of overly-sensitive people who are already uncomfortable sharing their hobby with outsiders, which I think is a dick move, as all it does is make the people being poked at double down on dolls being some taboo thing, and confuses a pretty well-known distinction.
i read your comment and thought that the alan thing was relevant to that. i would have liked a scene for alan to step up and per my wife "made midge an honest woman". |
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