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02-10-2009, 11:30 AM | #2541 |
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We can change that, if you want.
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02-10-2009, 11:44 AM | #2542 |
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Thanks, TUG. Glad to see you on this thread.
Gentlemen, Let me also ask this, and then I'm going to bed: How do you use the October Guard, and how would you rate them as a team? Given their size - which is obviously small - how do you use them in your Joeverse? And I mean the toys. If you can only use the toys that Hasbro has produced... how do you fit them into your Joeverse? I have every October Guard figure ever produced, but that is still not a lot of characters/figures. They are too small to pose a serious threat to G.I. Joe or Cobra. However, I consider them to be a very proficient, very tough unit. To me, it makes a lot of sense to use them as Intel Operatives for Russia, and they're on par with Python Patrol or Tiger Force, or maybe even The Plague or Night Force. What do y'all think? They are more concerned about Russian assets falling into terrorist hands and so they have their hands full on those border states. They do everything on the cheap. They don't have a Flagg or Skystikers, or Tank Commanders. Since Brekov is a Colonel he can pretty much requisition whatever assets he needs from Russian or friendly troops he encounters in Asia and Africa and parts of South America. Occasionally they cross paths with the Joes and usually they cooperate with them if there is no items to recover. Plus the Joes let them handle Interrogations. Other times I have them on loan as part of the Joe team but they really wouldn't be stationed at the Pitt. |
02-10-2009, 11:52 AM | #2543 |
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Actually, that's an excellent point. In my head, I set most of my Joe missions in the 80s, so they're still a viable unit.
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02-10-2009, 12:02 PM | #2544 |
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They match the Joes on small unit missions. I love the idea of a third group that can sometime oppose both Cobra and GI Joe (or permutations thereof), but I wish that Hasbro would make more of them so that they could actually be the match to the Joes that they could be. Mostly I just pretend that the rest of the Guard are somewhere else, and only use the group for small missions.
I think they need to make more of them! to expand on your answer to Oliver's OG question though- 1. They are one of my favorites also 2. If they made them vintage style & not 25th i would buy new characters (convention exclusive?) 3. because they only made a handful & i don't like half of those i team my OG up with my big ben variants to form a euro branch of the joes. got the idea from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare. I also include V1 Recoil & Ambush which have always had a Brit look to them in my opinion |
02-10-2009, 01:52 PM | #2545 |
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Oktober Guard:
They're smaller, so they can't do as much. I see them as being more of some Russian General's "secret" task force. They carry out small missions that require special touches. They wouldn't ever confront an army face to face, but they might sneak around and steal some plans or take out an asset or something like that. Now, that in mind, maybe there's more then 1 Oktober Guard? Back in the cold war/80s, I could definately see Russia maintaining lots of little OG units that didn't know about the others and performed missions no one else knew about. That would explain why Brekhov and Red Star look alike. Hhhhmm.. maybe some Russian scientist found a way to clone people and that's where Mindbender got his research from?
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02-10-2009, 01:58 PM | #2546 |
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I see the Joe teams like Loose Cannon described 'em, about a 100 man unit of specially trained guys with a large support staff.
They "borrow" the greenshirts from the regular branches for stuff like invading Cobra Island and taking back cities. Yeah, Flint and Duke are the backbone of the team. Between the two of 'em, there isn't a mission they aren't capable of leading/performing well in. They definately shouldn't be command, these are field guys. They're at their best leading the various Joe missions. Flint, Duke and Falcon are my 3 Joe field leaders for the special ops units of Joe. Capt. Grid-Iron, Major Barrage and Steeler are the batalion commanders.
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02-10-2009, 02:10 PM | #2547 |
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Oktober Guard:
They're smaller, so they can't do as much. I see them as being more of some Russian General's "secret" task force. They carry out small missions that require special touches. They wouldn't ever confront an army face to face, but they might sneak around and steal some plans or take out an asset or something like that. Now, that in mind, maybe there's more then 1 Oktober Guard? Back in the cold war/80s, I could definately see Russia maintaining lots of little OG units that didn't know about the others and performed missions no one else knew about. That would explain why Brekhov and Red Star look alike. Hhhhmm.. maybe some Russian scientist found a way to clone people and that's where Mindbender got his research from? Not a bad thought for the multiple teams. |
02-10-2009, 05:55 PM | #2548 |
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Thanks, man. The past is the past as far as I'm concerned. We're cool. One of the things I like about this thread is that, even though I've been a Joe fan since 1982, there have been years when I wasn't following the figures or comics as closely, and this thread gives me a little insight to elements of the mythos that I missed out on. Alot of the guys on here, particularly you (Oliver), Troynos, and Loose Cannon are way more well-versed in some of those elements than me. So I enjoy reading all your posts.
Allright, love-fest over, let's talk about some Joes. Just kidding.
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02-10-2009, 05:58 PM | #2549 |
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Go to Blood For The Baron!!!
He's got every single issue online and it was a weekly comic! Losts of fun reading. It started like any other classic morally corrupt individual trying to take over the world. I'm not sure if the toy line came first or the comic. It originated at about the same time as the GIJoe universe. Baron Ironblood and his henchmen were much the same as Cobra. I think his Red Shadow soldiers were suppose to be clones. He was somehow able to generate and endless supply. Where it really gets messed up is when the action force line ends and becomes GIJoe. Baron Ironblood kills everyone in the Red Shadows to hide his own disappearance and then reemerges as Cobra Commander. Jackel, Who is just a repainted Destro, now becomes Destro, and Storm Shadow and Firefly start appearing. I guess it must have been around 84 and the toyline had become all Hasbro mold based. So a few of those original characters had a pretty good history before they switch everything over. Gung-Ho is Gaucho, Snake-Eyes is actually called Stalker, Stalker is called Jammer. And half these guys were from some other European Country. What DDP did is they took the name Red Shadows, and although it is never confirmed, they took the Black Major Character and said he's Wilder Vaughn. I think that is the only connection. The Black Major was Baron Ironblood's brainwashed ex-SAS right hand man. I'm sure there are those Action Force fans who hated the shift to GIJoe. It's pretty poorly done, and after a while you just accept it.
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02-10-2009, 06:05 PM | #2550 |
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I was with you right up until Batman - Batman is supposed to be one of the best (if not outright the best) tacticians in the DC Universe, as well as being one of the best hand to hand combatants and a brilliant deductive mind. He's the brains of the JLA, and when written well his inclusion in the team makes perfect sense. Of course, he's not always written well.
Green Arrow is a guy with a bow and arrow. He doesn't always make as much sense. GI Joe makes much more sense as a small special ops team than as a response to a global army of Cobras, and that's how I tend to think of them. I was up in New York for the Comic Con since the middle of last week - you guys have also been talking about a lot of figures and comics that I don't have, so I can't really chime in much. I'm here, though. I understand G.I. Joe is compelling with just the 12 operatives, but I think it's wrong for two reasons: Realism, and there are a lot of favorite Characters left out. It's fine if we want to break the Joes up into small Special Ops units. But one Special Ops unit cannot handle every thing around the world from a terrorist Army. About Batman, I understand what you're saying but I will have to politely disagree. I still read Batman and Detective Comics every month and I love it... too bad about the current story line. However, Batman is rarely written well in JLA and it just doesn't fit. He's the worlds finest detective and perhaps the best marital artist... I don't care how many boards he can break, that doesn't mean he can run with GL, Flash, Superman, John Jones, and Wonder Woman. Batman is great, but he's best when he's in Gotham City fighting criminals.
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