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08-07-2022, 05:26 PM | #1121 |
retro O-rings, baby!
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Wow. Fantastic.
I have to admit, at the start, I thought this campaign was overly ambitious, and should have tried to unlock 2 waves every six months instead of going for the whole year at once. But it is looking surprisingly likely the first 3 waves could be unlocked by the end of the day--either way, this campaign has reached the stratosphere and it will be fun to make it an annual event. I am so happy there are so many people who love what we love and feel how we feel about this stuff. I think there is no question they'll unlock everything before wave 4 goes to the factory in 9 months. I know I'll be trying to add a figure every month between now and then, and hopefully others have similar plans for backerkit. I think more info on the troopbuilders as 3DJoes learns more from the factory will lead to a bunch more orders to. This is all going to work out really well for everybody. What a fantastic result to this campaign. Astounded. “Go Recall go Recall, go! Go! Go Recall go Recall go Recall, go! Go!” |
08-07-2022, 05:26 PM | #1122 |
Crimson Guard
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Catching up to the project today but still have some questions if anyone can fill in the blanks. Due to the changes recently made with the Kickstarter app it's not as easy to view options as maybe it once was. But we'll get there.
1. Is there just the one Kickstarter Exclusive? 2. Is it only available as an add-on? 3. I never saw any early bird option so it's just the high dollar prepro's that are limited right? 4. Is there a "best deal" in this campaign? 5. Can you change your pledge or do add-ons in the backerkit? I did see where they're planning to continue unlocking after the Kickstarter itself ends tonight. 6. Does your pledge include shipping or is that separate? If it is separate would make this one of the more expensive 1:18 KS in recent memory. |
08-07-2022, 05:31 PM | #1123 |
Cobra Soldier
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Wow. Fantastic.
I have to admit, at the start, I thought this campaign was overly ambitious, and should have tried to unlock 2 waves every six months instead of going for the whole year at once. But it is looking surprisingly likely the first 3 waves could be unlocked by the end of the day--either way, this campaign has reached the stratosphere and it will be fun to make it an annual event. I am so happy there are so many people who love what we love and feel how we feel about this stuff. I think there is no question they'll unlock everything before wave 4 goes to the factory in 9 months. I know I'll be trying to add a figure every month between now and then, and hopefully others have similar plans for backerkit. I think more info on the troopbuilders as 3DJoes learns more from the factory will lead to a bunch more orders to. This is all going to work out really well for everybody. What a fantastic result to this campaign. Astounded. |
08-07-2022, 05:55 PM | #1124 |
Fartbutt McGillicuddy
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Agreed. I thought it was really ambitious.
But i was just coming off longbow where it stagnated for two full weeks on a figure that wasnt in theme with the story and then took six full days to come out with the things that could have saved the campaign from it's stagnation. On top of telling everyone something great is coming for the half way mark that was just more repainted accessories and patches. After seeing recall have all new molds and paint for 30k I don't believe they were honest about that unlock cost for different deco for the same set of arms, legs, torsos, and waists reused across the line across both factions either. Tone deaf to the amount of time they had and could not care any less for the investors input. And that was following strike force alpha which was made in such a way you had to get figures you didn't want to get ones you do, and then as a "favor" gave a comic free after everyone backing it begged for it. No incentives. Just piggybacking off the idea of another guy. It's really nice having an oring campaign go like this. I wish so much longbow watched and took notes for it's backerkit step and it's next campaign because it SHOULD have been this successful. |
08-07-2022, 06:00 PM | #1125 |
Fartbutt McGillicuddy
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1. Is there just the one Kickstarter Exclusive?
Midnight ops retelo. But im not so sure because it's any figure goes in backerkit 2. Is it only available as an add-on? No. 3. I never saw any early bird option so it's just the high dollar prepro's that are limited right? No early birds. 4. Is there a "best deal" in this campaign? All in. 5. Can you change your pledge or do add-ons in the backerkit? I did see where they're planning to continue unlocking after the Kickstarter itself ends tonight. No to the first. Yes to the second. You need to lock in what you want now for kickstarter stuff. 6. Does your pledge include shipping or is that separate? If it is separate would make this one of the more expensive 1:18 KS in recent memory. 30 bucks shipping is the new 30 dollar oring action figure. |
08-07-2022, 06:16 PM | #1126 |
Gunslinger
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Come on Unknown. I know you can do it!
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08-07-2022, 06:18 PM | #1127 |
Cobra Soldier
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+/- 4000 away from the next unlock!
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08-07-2022, 06:19 PM | #1128 |
Crimson Guard
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1. Is there just the one Kickstarter Exclusive?
Midnight ops retelo. But im not so sure because it's any figure goes in backerkit 2. Is it only available as an add-on? No. 3. I never saw any early bird option so it's just the high dollar prepro's that are limited right? No early birds. 4. Is there a "best deal" in this campaign? All in. 5. Can you change your pledge or do add-ons in the backerkit? I did see where they're planning to continue unlocking after the Kickstarter itself ends tonight. No to the first. Yes to the second. You need to lock in what you want now for kickstarter stuff. 6. Does your pledge include shipping or is that separate? If it is separate would make this one of the more expensive 1:18 KS in recent memory. 30 bucks shipping is the new 30 dollar oring action figure. 5. Can you, say buy an exclusive now and do a backerkit all-in add-on afterward? Tight for cash at the moment. Or would that not work? The projects humming along nicely without my pushing the envelope. 6. Not sure I understand your meaning. Do you mean it does or does NOT include the shipping cost? |
08-07-2022, 06:25 PM | #1129 |
Iron Grenadier
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I think there's probably less ire than you might think. We've all disagreed about what figures we like with our best friends in the world since we were tiny. People aren't mad that people don't like this figure or that figure or that they don't want to back this kickstarter.
Some people might get defensive when terms like, "Bait and switch" are thrown around, but I don't think anybody thinks that anybody should back this project who isn't into it or that somebody needs to like a figure they don't like. There's this old story you've probably heard about the five blind men trying to figure out what an elephant is, but who had never come across an elephant before. And the guy touching the trunk is like, "Woah, man, this is like a tree," and the guy touching the side is like, "No way, this is like a wall!" And the guy touching the tail is like, "no way, man, this is like a rope!" and then the guys touching the tusks and the ears think it's like something else and they don't quite get this is an elephant. This campaign is the elephant. And some people came in and were like, "This is an o-ring action figure campaign, I know how those work," but then were taken aback when it wasn't like Longbow or whatever. And some people were like, "This is a fan-designed figure line! that sounds great!" but then were surprised when people started messing with what they thought were near-final designs. And some people were like, "This is a store and we're buying figures like a normal store!" and then were confused when some stuff wasn't fleshed out or whatever. But here's the truth: this thing was just an elephant. And nobody had ever come across something like it before. It's totally understandable that some people who wanted in when they thought the campaign was a tree will want out when they realize it's an elephant. Not a big deal. Makes total sense. *** As for how kickstarter works: when you contribute on kickstarter, you're "backing" a project. And you've probably paid for some kind of reward. And you are called a "backer." Now huge kickstarters like this have TONS of rewards that need to be mailed out. And tons of product. If all 19 figures fund, even if 3DJoes only makes the minimum number of figures, that is a 3,000 figure order minimums. That's 57,000 figures. And that's a lot of inventory to keep track of. And there are already over 800 backers. That's a lot of addresses to keep straight and a lot of orders to fulfill. So somebody saw the need to help the people who run big kickstarters manage all those rewards, so they started a company. That company was called, "Backerkit." Backerkit is like a software that people who run kickstarters can use to manage all of those rewards. It's not exactly kickstarter, but it helps people who are running a kickstarter. They picked the name "Backerkit" because it's like a software kit that helps you send rewards to your "Backers." 3DJoes is using Backerkit. So at some point after the campaign is over, maybe in a few weeks, maybe in a few months, you'll get an email from 3DJoes through backerkit asking which figures you want him to send you. Rather than 3DJoes getting 822 emails back about everybody's orders, you'll give your answers to Backerkit. Backerkit will help 3DJoes keep your order straight. For example, if you were to move before you got your reward, you don't have to email 3DJoes--you can just update your address in Backerkit. And here's the cool part: Backerkit will also help 3DJoes keep selling figures after the campaign is over. And while not every campaign does this, 3DJoes is cool and has said that any additional orders that get placed in Backerkit after the campaign is over will keep adding to the total funds raised, helping them go up and up and up until hopefully we can get all 19 figures unlocked. And here is the hope: There may still be figures available to pre-order when the designs are finalized, so people could pre-order figures in the backerkit based on final designs. Maybe they could even pre-order off test runs or whatever the name is for the painted figure of Retolo that is showing on the kickstarter page. In other words, it's possible that the certainty some people felt was lacking in the kickstarter campaign might be available to people before the backerkit sales close. How 3DJoes chooses to manage this is up to him. There might be a period where only kickstarter backers can order additional figures in Backerkit. And then he might open it up for more people who didn't back the kickstarter. With 3,000 figure order minimums, that might be necessary to sell all 3,000 figures. Or he might decide to leave it open for a bit to see if there's enough demand to make well over 3,000 figures of, say, really popular troop builders. It's all up to him. Roboskull gives you an example of what this can look like. Here is the roboskull store as it currently looks: https://roboskull.backerkit.com/hosted_preorders As you can see, this website isn't on kickstarter, it's on backerkit.com. You can, right now, pre-order figures to be shipped in May of 2023, even though the campaign ended on July 1st. Even if you didn't back the Roboskull kickstarter. And the backerkit page can update all the time. Maybe the first day the backerkit goes live, everything looks like it does today, with only the unlocked figures for sale. But as each new figure gets unlocked it can go on sale on backerkit. Or as a design gets closer to its final version, the updated design can go up on backerkit, replacing what was there. So the longer the backer kit is open, the more figures that will be in it and the more "final" the designs we'll be seeing. Keep in mind, this probably wouldn't be happening over days or weeks. This would probably be happening over months. And it might close before we get to final-final designs. Whatever's going to happen, 3DJoes will surely be crazy transparent with us about it, because that's how he rolls. So basically, if you backed the Operation: Recall campaign on kickstarter, backerkit will help you choose the figures that fulfill the rewards you pledged for. While it won't let you change your pledge or your rewards from the Kickstarter campaign, it will let you add on new figures to your existing pledge. For example, 3DJoes has said that while you can't change your 10 figure pledge into an all-in x 1 pledge, people who backed all-in x 1 during the campaign will have the chance to add a 2nd all-in x 1 using backerkit. So if there are still figures left to sell in backerkit when we get the final design for a figure you were nervous about, and you LIKE the design they went actually went with (as opposed to the design brainstorming we're seeing right now), you could, in theory, order more at that point, knowing that at that point you're ordering from a final design. So based on this, my feeling is that the kickstarter is more for the people who are excited to be along for the ride of the whole ups and downs of the creative process, watching it go along as it happens like a reality TV show. They can root between the different potential Clanker designs the same way we're rooting between different concepts (yay for the boba fett looking Clanker with the rocket jet packs!). But the people who are like, "My heart can't take all that, just show me what I'm ordering and I'll decide which ones I want," can jump in at the backerkit stage, after the designs have gone back and forth between the designers and the reviewers enough to become "final." They'll probably find that phase of this process a lot more satisfying than they've found this kickstarter. And some people might want a mix of both. They might want one set of figures sight unseen, but will wait to get more until they know more solid answers on things that we don't know yet, like whether some of the figures could potentially be sold cheaper in bags instead of on cardbacks, or whether it's feasible to do variant versions of some of the army builders and what that might look like, or whether Bear Claw has an attached Bear Head or not. It's all good. It's all fine. No right or wrong answers. Everybody's going to choose their own comfort level with this absolutely wild, unprecedented campaign. Just like no 2 people are going to have the same opinions on the concepts, no 2 people are going to have the same level of comfort with the risks and the unknowns and what they need to know before they fork over their money. No wrong answers. Yeah, 100% this. No wrong answers means NO wrong answers. This campaign is different, and it definitely isn't for everyone. I'm guessing that also means that you pay full price per figure and miss the campaign deals, but if also mean that you can make you selections based on seeing what the actual end product looks like? |
08-07-2022, 06:28 PM | #1130 |
Cobra Viper
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Thanks for the info.
5. Can you, say buy an exclusive now and do a backerkit all-in add-on afterward? Tight for cash at the moment. Or would that not work? The projects humming along nicely without my pushing the envelope. 6. Not sure I understand your meaning. Do you mean it does or does NOT include the shipping cost? Also, we're not sure yet if something like "all in" exists on backerkit until we see it. They may just be listed as individual figures. The prices you get per figure for an all-in right now are discounted for the kickstarter; they'll presumably by $30 each on backerkit.
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