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10-24-2021, 10:52 AM | #41 |
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10-24-2021, 10:54 AM | #42 |
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If Zandar's main ability is the ability to blend in and not be noticed, this would actually gel nicely with him being a proverbial "forgotten" middle child. It would certainly give him a bit of much-needed character definition. Let's face it, he's more important as a character because of who he's related to and not really for any compelling reason of his own. Making him the "Jan Brady" of the Joe universe would be a neat twist, especially if he uses it to his tactical advantage.
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10-24-2021, 10:56 AM | #43 |
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Indeed!
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10-24-2021, 10:43 PM | #44 |
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I would also tell Hasbro their Classified Croc Master and Fiona are beautiful. Seeing a "lower tier" character like Croc Master designed so well gives me hope we might see a Classified Zandar (matching Zarana) one day!
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10-25-2021, 01:09 PM | #45 |
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What if it is my life long dream to have them not be twins? This way the Crimson Twins can be unique? Maybe I could start that petition going and make things right again. Especially considering they were not mentioned as twins in any of their debuts in the show or comic, meaning it was something that was (needlessly) retconned later. Those characters are unique without being twins. The twin thing was never really a part of their personality. Nothing they did in the comics or show made anyone go "oh, those two are twins!" There was no need for it. In fact, I argue that it cheapens their characters, making them the trashy biker gang knock off version of the Crimson Twins. The twin thing had already been done successfully, and didn't need to be run again just because they had some same color clothing.
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Hmm. Biker twins vs. Circus twins. Tough call.
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10-25-2021, 04:55 PM | #47 |
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What if it is my life long dream to have them not be twins? This way the Crimson Twins can be unique? Maybe I could start that petition going and make things right again. Especially considering they were not mentioned as twins in any of their debuts in the show or comic, meaning it was something that was (needlessly) retconned later. Those characters are unique without being twins. The twin thing was never really a part of their personality. Nothing they did in the comics or show made anyone go "oh, those two are twins!" There was no need for it. In fact, I argue that it cheapens their characters, making them the trashy biker gang knock off version of the Crimson Twins. The twin thing had already been done successfully, and didn't need to be run again just because they had some same color clothing.
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10-25-2021, 09:26 PM | #48 |
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What if it is my life long dream to have them not be twins? This way the Crimson Twins can be unique? Maybe I could start that petition going and make things right again. Especially considering they were not mentioned as twins in any of their debuts in the show or comic, meaning it was something that was (needlessly) retconned later. Those characters are unique without being twins. The twin thing was never really a part of their personality. Nothing they did in the comics or show made anyone go "oh, those two are twins!" There was no need for it. In fact, I argue that it cheapens their characters, making them the trashy biker gang knock off version of the Crimson Twins. The twin thing had already been done successfully, and didn't need to be run again just because they had some same color clothing.
The identical twin thing has been done. Should there be no fraternal twin representation in the mythos? I love the idea of male/female biker twins. Lets examine how Tomax & Xamot and Zarana & Zandar differ: Tomax & Xamot are identical twins. Zarana & Zandar are fraternal (non-identical twins). Tomax & Xamot have a psychic bond. Zarana & Zandar haven't been shown to possess this. Tomax & Xamot feel each other's pain. Again, this isn't something demonstrated by Zarana & Zandar. Zarana & Zandar have been shown to have a twin language between them. Tomax & Xamot have never been portrayed as having one. They have completely different backgrounds. Tomax & Xamot dress symmetrically identical. Zarana & Zandar each have their own punk style, but maintain some matching elements between them. These two pairs of twins don't infringe on each other at all. I would never call for Tomax & Xamot to be removed to make room for Zarana & Zandar. I would never say they shouldn't be twins. I am all for the existence of two pairs of twins in GI Joe, one identical and one fraternal. I like having an alternative to Tomax & Xamot. Zarana & Zandar, the punk biker twins are compelling to me. I've fought for it for years to see it in the future of GI Joe. I guess my dream to see that obscure detail not lost to future generations of fans, is gone.
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10-25-2021, 09:38 PM | #49 |
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What obscure Hasbro media did you keep mentioning? I can't find it anywhere. You mentioned novels in a different post from '86, but there weren't any until '88. There was only choose your own fate books which have been proven were not canon, and as far as I can see didn't mention it anyway. I just wanted a link or pic or something to see it for myself.
I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here, so I'll just stop. I could care less if they were or were not twins. I just never remember hearing anything about it before and wanted to see where I missed it. I do believe if it's canon, it will remain so. Zandar may not get a figure any time soon (or he may, who knows), but they would have no reason to change canon just for the sake of changing it. |
10-25-2021, 10:57 PM | #50 |
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It was in official Hasbro media, but very, very obscure. There was no retcon.
The identical twin thing has been done. Should there be no fraternal twin representation in the mythos? I love the idea of male/female biker twins. Lets examine how Tomax & Xamot and Zarana & Zandar differ: Tomax & Xamot are identical twins. Zarana & Zandar are fraternal (non-identical twins). Tomax & Xamot have a psychic bond. Zarana & Zandar haven't been shown to possess this. Tomax & Xamot feel each other's pain. Again, this isn't something demonstrated by Zarana & Zandar. Zarana & Zandar have been shown to have a twin language between them. Tomax & Xamot have never been portrayed as having one. They have completely different backgrounds. Tomax & Xamot dress symmetrically identical. Zarana & Zandar each have their own punk style, but maintain some matching elements between them. These two pairs of twins don't infringe on each other at all. I would never call for Tomax & Xamot to be removed to make room for Zarana & Zandar. I would never say they shouldn't be twins. I am all for the existence of two pairs of twins in GI Joe, one identical and one fraternal. I like having an alternative to Tomax & Xamot. Zarana & Zandar, the punk biker twins are compelling to me. I've fought for it for years to see it in the future of GI Joe. I guess my dream to see that obscure detail not lost to future generations of fans, is gone. Or hey, Malignant is even more recent and relevant. Maybe Zandar can be the parasitic twin they thought they cut out of Zarana but still takes over sometimes. Quick somebody Photoshop a pink scarf on this
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