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09-11-2021, 08:37 PM | #231 |
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Ain't you the same guy that was all "civil liberties for terrorists" a while ago?
But you think unvaxxed Americans dont even deserve medical treatment? |
09-11-2021, 08:42 PM | #232 |
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I don't think some people grasp the magnitude of what they are saying or defending. In word war 2, we interned thousands of Japanese Americans. We took a protected class (national origin) took away their rights (Liberty and property) because of a threat (imperial Japan) in the 80s we passed antisodemy laws against gay people. We took a protected class (gay) took away their rights (privacy, consenting adults) because of a threat (aids). In 2020 we took a protected class (religious) took away their rights (freedom of religion) because of a threat (covid 19). There really isn't a difference. The last few pages have been a great example of how some do not care about the rights of others. How long before someone comes for your rights? In Nazi Germay Jewish people were separated into ghettos and the justification for this was they spread typhus. They took what we would consider a protected class (Jewish) took away their rights (pretty much all of them) because of a perceived threat (typhus). Every authoritarian has a reason, something you should be afraid of, to get the masses to go along with evil and wrong actions. To tell others what they should and shouldn't do. And it leads to some of the darkest places humanity has ever seen.
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09-11-2021, 08:43 PM | #233 |
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Having to watch religious services on a computer for a few months to protect people from getting seriously ill or dying is somehow authoritarian and teetering the world on the edge of darkness. Got it.
I’m kinda tired of talking about about the Jewish angle of all this, but Ill finish off with this. I love it when the right wingers and antivaxxers say/said we are now living in Nazi Germany because of the masks and vaccine (and now I guess religious persecution? Since all religions had to do web services, is it really religious persecution?). Although I’m not the most religious Jewish dude (I’m like a lot of Catholics, I just attend the ‘major holiday’ services), somehow I don’t recall the Rabbi’s or the congregations making the Nazi comparison. Its authoritarianism obviously. The same rational is used over and over again. How far authoritarians take stripping of rights is the only question. This isn't about a virus, but rather authoritarianism vs liberty. Whether its Invasion from Japan, Aids, or Typhus, there has always been an excuse to do it, and the pattern repeats. Do your principles govern how you act in a situation, or does the situation govern your principles? |
09-11-2021, 08:46 PM | #234 |
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09-11-2021, 08:49 PM | #235 |
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This thread is a microcosm of every Anti-Vax debate ever. They start with an excuse, shown to be wrong and then jump from excuse to excuse until falling back on unprovable conspiracy theory and appeals to “My Freedom!” and accusations of tyranny. You realize that their objection to vaccines is not based on science.
The entire modern day anti-vax movement was based on a paper that was disproven due to highly dubious science; yet people still think childhood vaccines cause autism. |
09-11-2021, 08:57 PM | #236 |
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This thread is a microcosm of a bigger issue...we are better than this as a country and the things that divide us are not as significant as those that unite us. I have served alongside people who would have diametrically opposed positions on a host of topics. They were able to focus on the commonalities and not the differences. Face to face the vast majority of us could have a reasoned and respectful conversation. Online it becomes way too easy to lose sight of the basic humanity of people who disagree with us.
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09-11-2021, 09:03 PM | #237 |
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So friggin' true! Do you remember Orwell's "DoubleThink"? Well, here it is in practice. In modern times. In America. Let's face it, there are a lot of people who either don't want to, or can't, think for themselves, so they just parrot what they've heard and get stubborn. In Carlin's "The American Dream" rant/bit/truth drop, he talked about how it's not in the interest of the real people in charge (the wealthy "owners" of this nation/world) to have a population capable of critical thought. This has been a long time coming. Generations, actually. Well, it's here and the brainwashed are fully brainwashed into believing in things that run counter to their own interests and accepting illogical doublethink bullshit as not only a matter of course, but as something to fight for.
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09-11-2021, 09:03 PM | #238 |
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There you go. You think YOU should be able to dictate to people what rights they may have and what rights must be surrendered. You've just spent two pages making fun of their beliefs. It's obvious you don't hold their rights in high regard. Transubstantiation is central to these faiths worship (Catholic included) thats the entire reason for the mass in the first place. There is nothing special about the place this happens, a church, park, parking lot, someone's home it doesn't matter. What is required is the physical presents of Christ in the bread and wine and the congregation sharing in that, and consuming that bread and wine.
Its authoritarianism obviously. The same rational is used over and over again. How far authoritarians take stripping of rights is the only question. This isn't about a virus, but rather authoritarianism vs liberty. Whether its Invasion from Japan, Aids, or Typhus, there has always been an excuse to do it, and the pattern repeats. Do your principles govern how you act in a situation, or does the situation govern your principles? I was making some jokes, but there’s a difference between making fun of someone’s personal beliefs (and them personally) vs joking about eating the flesh of a man (I mean come on…that sentence right there is begging for a joke) and overarching religious concepts. Futurama did it years ago (“sweet zombie Jesus” anyone?)I know they have better comedic writers than I do, but come on. I didn’t call anyone an idiot for believing in what they believe in. Part of it was a joke, yes, but as a Jewish dude, I was trying to get a better understanding of why you can’t eat wafers and drink wine at home vs at a church. Thank you though for stating that it doesn’t matter where services are held (physical vs digitally) though, you just let it out that religious groups aren’t being persecuted as they can still go to services digitally. You would have a leg to stand on if the government said digital as well as physical services are/were cancelled. Last edited by PFC Hudson; 09-11-2021 at 09:10 PM.. |
09-11-2021, 09:15 PM | #239 |
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This thread is a microcosm of a bigger issue...we are better than this as a country and the things that divide us are not as significant as those that unite us. I have served alongside people who would have diametrically opposed positions on a host of topics. They were able to focus on the commonalities and not the differences. Face to face the vast majority of us could have a reasoned and respectful conversation. Online it becomes way too easy to lose sight of the basic humanity of people who disagree with us.
I refuse to apologize for the eating ass comments. Dont knock it until you’ve tried it. Wink. |
09-11-2021, 09:16 PM | #240 |
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This thread is a microcosm of a bigger issue...we are better than this as a country and the things that divide us are not as significant as those that unite us. I have served alongside people who would have diametrically opposed positions on a host of topics. They were able to focus on the commonalities and not the differences. Face to face the vast majority of us could have a reasoned and respectful conversation. Online it becomes way too easy to lose sight of the basic humanity of people who disagree with us.
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