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08-02-2021, 10:38 PM | #151 |
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08-03-2021, 07:30 AM | #152 |
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This is...not a real thing, or even a coherent thing.
PFC Hudson is on point. The folks criticizing the film as "woke" are refusing to define the parameters they're using to say what is "woke" about it. When called out on the racist/sexist undertones that (talking about overall use of the term right now) "woke" is typically a critique by straight white folks levied at things that are inclusive of folks beyond simply straight/white (or appropriately diminished percentages), the posters here deny vehemently. Which, fine. You've insisted the film is not "woke" for that reason. But the onus remains on y'all to say by which metric(s) the film is "woke." It's your critique, so if it's not up to us to articulate how the film is that way, it is up to you - and when you fail to do so, occham's razor demands the simplest explanation - randomly selected criteria that make straight whites slightly unhappy.
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08-03-2021, 03:54 PM | #153 |
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There is no "future" for the "GIJoe Film Franchise." Because these idiots hate "A Real American Hero-" the storylines and characters that have a worldwide fanbase- and thought they could crap out (a third) soulless, generic action movie about a "global" team. And fans would eat it up this time, no really.
"So, we are looking to relaunch G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero vs. Cobra here at Hasbro, Mr. Millennial Consultant firm. What do you recommend?" "They can't be military! We all hate the military now. And they can't use guns! Guns are eeeeevil! They certainly can't be American, because America is an evil racist state! Also, Cobra can't be terrorists, it might offend real-life terrorists. And their leader can't wear a hood. That's just icky and makes kids today feel all triggered! What you need is a diverse team of spandex-wearing ninjas decorated with the rainbow flag who carry laser swords and battle an evil conglomerate of white supremacists, racists and misogynists who drive SUVs armed with hoses that shoot toxic waste, led by an orange billionaire businessman in a bad toupee." Sadly, Hasbro seems to take the idea completely seriously that they can still have G.I. Joe if they get rid of the America, military, gun, terrorist and hood angles.
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Yeah, it's everybody else who's "triggered." Right. Explain that to me again in another rant about how offended you are by something you don't like.
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It's so sad it's almost funny how PC thinking is just tearing apart the G.I. Joe brand...
"So, we are looking to relaunch G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero vs. Cobra here at Hasbro, Mr. Millennial Consultant firm. What do you recommend?" "They can't be military! We all hate the military now. And they can't use guns! Guns are eeeeevil! They certainly can't be American, because America is an evil racist state! Also, Cobra can't be terrorists, it might offend real-life terrorists. And their leader can't wear a hood. That's just icky and makes kids today feel all triggered! What you need is a diverse team of spandex-wearing ninjas decorated with the rainbow flag who carry laser swords and battle an evil conglomerate of white supremacists, racists and misogynists who drive SUVs armed with hoses that shoot toxic waste, led by an orange billionaire businessman in a bad toupee." Sadly, Hasbro seems to take the idea completely seriously that they can still have G.I. Joe if they get rid of the America, military, gun, terrorist and hood angles.
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08-04-2021, 02:52 AM | #157 |
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Of course there is no 100% effective IO. One example of culture->politics is gun control. You will have a hell of a time finding an example of US produced mass media (television, streaming, film) which shows guns as both positive and effective EXCEPT in the hands of an authority figure. You will have a difficult time finding examples of media with realistic depictions of activities of civilians involving firearms which aren't both central to the story and negative e.g. the police procedural trope of the (usually) middle aged or older white male who is carrying a concealed firearm and tries to intervene in a violent situation but either kills a bystander or injures himself due to incompetence only to be saved by the highly trained patrol officer. Despite the reality that the average person who carries a concealed firearm trains more often than the average patrol officer even if they are only at the range once every two months, there has never been a time in the history of the United States before now when high quality training was more available and taken advantage of more by non LEO civilians, and despite the perception of a higher standard of training LEOs still hit bystanders when shooting. But that media portrayal heavily influences the public perception of both firearms and authority figures & violence. Another example, one I wrote about in grad school and was something I had been thinking about heavily for a long time, is the media portrayal of Muslim militants. It is much more complicated than the previous example and both involve not only entertainment media but also information media and how that shapes perceptions e.g. the Salon "story" being passed around by multiple outlets a few years ago about ISIS fighters "being especially afraid" of being killed by YPJ female militia which was completely made up. |
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I've said for years we need more shows that center around ordinary everyday people cleaning their guns and locking them up away from small children. Maybe every year on the Christmas special they could take a family trip to go buy shotgun shells from walmart.
C'mon hollywood, give the people what they want.
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I've said for years we need more shows that center around ordinary everyday people cleaning their guns and locking them up away from small children. Maybe every year on the Christmas special they could take a family trip to go buy shotgun shells from walmart.
C'mon hollywood, give the people what they want. The depictions are never "ordinary man happens to own firearms, is competent, and it is not necessarily central to the plot in a way that shows his natural inferiority to an armed authority figure". |
08-04-2021, 04:27 PM | #160 |
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You missed the point entirely. Currently shows do center around firearms, just the depictions are consistently authority figure + firearm = competence, non-authority figure + firearm = incompetence. The only exception to this is criminal + firearm = competence, but in many ways villains and criminals are depicted in similar ways to authority figures but mirrored morally. You can see this in GI Joe itself.
The depictions are never "ordinary man happens to own firearms, is competent, and it is not necessarily central to the plot in a way that shows his natural inferiority to an armed authority figure".
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