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08-01-2021, 10:27 PM | #141 |
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My biggest problem with it was it was the usual Feig McCarthy Not Funny at all Spoof that they forced the Ghostbusters License on. If it had just been another of her worthless formula movie it would have flown under the radar and nobody would still be talking about it. They tried to make it something it wasn't and the fandom wasn't having it.
Then there was a small group of very vocal of Misogynistic assholes throwing a fit over it being all women and they knew they had a stinker on their hands and used that to deflect that and have something to blame it tanking on. I actually like Wiig and McKinnon, but McCarthy is horrible and makes the same thing constantly and I do nit think Leslie Jones is funny at all combine that with a B Movie Level Script and a Hack Director that is only capable of making McCarthy's Formulaic Movie and that's why it really was derided by a lot of the Ghostbusters Fandom. Literally the only good thing from that movie's existence was the return of Ecto Cooler. Honestly if you watch the directors cut (where they let Helmsworth really shine) its a pretty good comedy. But yeah, messing with the GB series didn't do them that much good. If it had been a direct sequal in the same universe and had the orignal cast in there as mentors (and writers!) maybe it would have worked better. |
08-02-2021, 02:02 PM | #142 |
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So, that’s the thing. The filmmakers got a little pissy because a bunch of dudes got pissy the Ghostbusters was remade with women vs men. They called that sh!t out. I get that the reaction might have further complicated the controversy, but again; if they couldn’t come up with a reason why it was so ‘woke’ beyond the fact that it had the audacity to star women, then I still struggle to see why it was so woke. Even members of this site claim it eas so woke, but can’t give a single answer beyond ‘women’. Ditto the new Star Wars.
I just want a reason why beyond the sex and racial demographics of the movies. 1) Racial demographics are irrelevant to this discussion. There was one black guy on the original team; there's one black girl on the reimagined team. No one raised any sort of racial issues with this movie. 2) A bunch of dudes did not get pissy because Ghostbusters was remade with women. People (male and female) were upset because, as pointed out (and quickly dismissed by you), no one wanted or ever asked for a Ghostbusters remake. Even a cursory glance into the history of the franchise makes it very clear that a third entry in the series has been discussed, dreamed about, and wished for for over twenty years. There were numerous announcements, numerous cancellations, numerous scripts. It was also a matter of public knowledge that the movie was forced into production using the threat of legal action, and the studio was even willing to sue Bill Murray to make him appear in some capacity. 2a) The beginning of the trailer for Ghostbusters 2016 pretends that it's a sequel to the original series, despite the fact that it's clearly not. This misrepresented the product right off the bat. This was also one of the things critics of the approach immediately took issue with. It was like the trailer knew that the movie could have just as easily been a sequel, set in the same universe, decades after the events of the originals. 2b) Paul Feig made it very clear on his social media that he didn't pursue the sequel route because it was important to him to have his characters innovate the Ghostbusting equipment. Why? Because it was (presumably) crafted by Ray and Egon? Why not just have the gals improve it? Because the movie had an agenda. 3) I offered you two examples of the movie's "girls are better than boys" agenda at play. You dismissed them both. I don't think it is accidental whatsoever that the four gals recruit a totally inept and stupid male secretary. If it's a "remake," then why not go with a male version of Janine, who was never presented as being incapable and stupid despite being in the "male version" of the movie. I also think the movie's main villain's characterization is a bit intentional, and let's not forget that the final giant ghost is defeated by shooting him in the crotch. If you're not seeing this stuff, or if you're seeing someone noticing it as "oh I'm just mad that they're girls," then I just don't know what to tell you other than that I think you're wrong. 4) "They called that shit out!" Yeah I don't care. They're professionals. You don't engage in mudslinging with fans. You particularly don't engage with the trolls. You especially don't make a point of dismissing every criticism the movie received as "angry basement dwelling, women hating men behind keyboards." Just look at how much fun Kevin Smith is currently having with his He-Man project for a good example of why this is never advisable behavior. And, in the case of Ghostbusters 2016, it was entirely out of line. I go back to James Rolfe. All the man did was express disinterest in the project. Why did Patton Oswalt feel the need to publicly insult his appearance and his wife? This was way out of bounds. I don't think I'm really going to sway you, of course. You've got your perspective and all, but I just happen to think it's wrong in this instance. |
08-02-2021, 03:40 PM | #143 |
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Removing a few monuments of civil war loser generals is not erasing history, it’s removing a monument to people who were pro-slavery (here comes the hysterical "but where will it stop!???). If any ‘side’ is trying to erase history, it’s the side currently trying to gaslight saying that America has had zero racism and is a perfect utopia.
Also I am aware of exactly zero people who say that America has no racism and is a utopia. Firstly, the people who push back against the Leftist authoritarianism are very clear that America has problems. To think otherwise means that you have no exposure to their viewpoint. Which reminds me of "Sure guy. Sure." What my friends who have stopped being liberal and moved over to Leftist have lost is an ability to engage in dialogue and to take their conversational opponent as sincere. Humans ARE still sincere. Not everything in life is this sad mix of sarcasm, skepticism, resentment and bigotry which Leftists have fallen in to and can't get out of. Humans are really good people, it turns out. Quote:
THIS is what Hasbro needs to capitalize on. I know that you can't see it because you are allowed no access to a viewpoint outside of the corporate 1% messaging, but this is not an old way of looking at the world. It is not only the "new" way of seeing the world in the historical sense but it is also growing dramatically. All around the world humans like us are pushing back against "the tremendous social and political change" being forced upon them. Quote:
3) I offered you two examples of the movie's "girls are better than boys" agenda at play. You dismissed them both. I don't think it is accidental whatsoever that the four gals recruit a totally inept and stupid male secretary. If it's a "remake," then why not go with a male version of Janine, who was never presented as being incapable and stupid despite being in the "male version" of the movie. I also think the movie's main villain's characterization is a bit intentional, and let's not forget that the final giant ghost is defeated by shooting him in the crotch. If you're not seeing this stuff, or if you're seeing someone noticing it as "oh I'm just mad that they're girls," then I just don't know what to tell you other than that I think you're wrong.
The anti-male agenda goes hand-in-hand with an anti-female agenda in my opinion. Use the optics of "standing up for women" to break down the men (it's been going on for a long time, decades) then the goal of the disintegrationists pivots to attacking women instead. The social messaging attacks on women are getting very bold now, and hard to ignore. Ultimately, Zero Year. Nothing has meaning, no human has value. GiJoe should embrace a positive view of history and celebrate the diversity within their ranks. GiJoe was a vehicle for this in the 80s. Trying to remove the NAME of the property or alter the positive vibes of it will be seen by everyone with an anti-authoritarian viewpoint as worthy of ridicule and the results will be obvious. Anyone who thinks otherwise was on here two weeks ago saying "you all need to shut up, this movie is going to be awesome."
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08-02-2021, 03:43 PM | #144 |
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It's not going to stop with ending the GiJoe brand and name and replacing America with a vast undemocratic authoritarian structure. We both know this.
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08-02-2021, 03:56 PM | #145 |
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You guys took too damn much out of a fuckin Ghostbusters movie lol
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08-02-2021, 04:27 PM | #146 |
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To be fair, I did. I commented that GB missed the mark in giving the black character the same role as the lone black member of the previous movies. If they were looking to shake things up they could have changed that. Not a huge deal but just something I noticed before I fell asleep halfway through it.
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08-02-2021, 05:06 PM | #147 |
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To be fair, I did. I commented that GB missed the mark in giving the black character the same role as the lone black member of the previous movies. If they were looking to shake things up they could have changed that. Not a huge deal but just something I noticed before I fell asleep halfway through it.
Though, really, agenda or not, the movie sucked. It would have sucked with the original cast in it, too. |
08-02-2021, 05:15 PM | #148 |
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Totally agree...it was just a bad film no matter which way you slice it.
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08-02-2021, 08:45 PM | #149 |
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I really enjoy the idea that the people with money and power are using shitty movies as a means to destroy our country so they can take over and have money and powe....wait, what are we talking about again?
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08-02-2021, 10:29 PM | #150 |
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Taking away our freedoms….or history….or jobs…..or something? I dunno. I get checked out after the same drivel is repeated by the same people over and over again.
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