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07-29-2021, 11:33 PM | #211 |
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Thanks for the input. Not trying to be negative - I honestly had no intention of seeing the film myself but was hoping that it would re-invigorate the brand.
I feel they could of easily modernized the Snake Eyes story while following the original Hama version - Just trade out a Vietnam LRRP for a Special Operators team in Iraq/Afghanistan. I think that type of story would have a little more appeal. It's a moot point now. |
07-29-2021, 11:48 PM | #212 |
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For the love of Pete why cant they just set it in the 80s? It works much better in that decade. They could all keep their cool Vietnam vet backstories and you could have an awesome 80s soundtrack to boot.
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07-30-2021, 03:00 AM | #213 |
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Can anyone explain to me the lack of marketing product in stores for the movie? Did Hasbro see the writing on the wall and decided not to push more product out there knowing this would flop?
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07-30-2021, 03:50 AM | #214 |
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Hell, if they wanted to go for more modern times, they can pick from any of the current wars going on right now..... they did it with the punisher....
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07-30-2021, 03:52 AM | #215 |
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To actually state the truth, I personally hope they never make another joe or any other of my 80’s cartoons into movies. They jus have a knack of fucking everything up for everybody. They can all go to hell, and maybe come up with something original. That way they can fuck that stuff up as much as they like, and not offend us.
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07-30-2021, 10:50 AM | #216 |
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Okay, I've seen the movie. Here's my take.
Let me preface my statements. I am a old Joe fan from the 80s and I bristle at the younger folks in here calling out people like me as being only interested in two-hour toy commercials from 1986. I don't mind retconning if it's done well, especially if the original story isn't particularly well-written either. And that's my first point of argument against those who think the writing of this movie was bland and flavorless. Did anyone remember reading the original Marvel run written by Larry Hama and think, "Well, this is weird.."? It wasn't like the comics were written by Solzhenistsyn. They were COMIC BOOKS. Then entire movie was ninjatastic, and in some ways reminded me of those 80-90s martials arts action schlock films like "American Ninja" with Michael Dudikoff or literally every last thing featuring the talents of Jean-Claude Van Damme. Was the dialogue canned and uninteresting? Absolutely. Is this the only movie to commit this sin? Not even kinda. About the only time I thought the movie went into the deep end of the pool and started flailing wildly for help was when they recast the basilisk from that Harry Potter movie. Giant snakes? Really? I expected some mysticism in a movie about ninjas, but that was pretty bizarre. It was also no more bizarre than anything Hama wrote. I took a group of teenagers in my church youth group to see it last night. Wanna know what their impression was? They loved it. To a person. Not one of them said it sucked. Because the movie wasn't aimed at me, it was aimed squarely at them. The original Snake-Eyes origin story was of a Vietnam veteran whose family was killed while he was deployed and his subsequent search for a home, ending with his time in the service. Oh, and he was trained by an ancient ninja clan somewhere along the way. That story would never have resonated today. Could they have used the wars in the Middle East to bring that same story forward to today? Sure. Japan did assist some of the rebuilding efforts in Afghanistan and has a permanent base in Djibouti to help with anti-piracy operations off the eastern coast of Africa. Could Tommy have been a soldier stationed there, rescued by one of his American allies? Sure thing! And it would have been a great story, too. But, that's a story for us. It's not a story for the kids in those theatre seats with me. After 20 years of warfare (think about it, every one of those kids with me at that movie last night were born in a time of war and have never known anything else), the American public is tired of war stories. We're GI Joe fans, we LIVE for war stories. We're unusual. And we weren't the intended audience. We are the outliers on the bell curve. I found the movie to be lighthearted, typical summer action fare and I cannot stress the word 'typical' enough. It was a generic action movie, as so many have observed. You could literally have dropped just about any action toy or video game property into the title and you would not have had to change much. I thought GI Joe deserved much better, but the fourteen kids with me last night thought the movie was just fine as it was. More power to them. Probably Delta mainly. Hopefully streaming and Bluray confirm that theory and this movie explodes in popularity.
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07-30-2021, 03:04 PM | #217 |
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07-30-2021, 03:09 PM | #218 |
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The biggest is marketing. For big films it seems like the marketing is the one factor that separates a huge opening weekend from a bad opening weekend. Doesn't really matter if the movie is good or bad just if the marketing team between trailers, ads, and all the other tools can make it seem like a must see event. Doesn't feel like Snake Eyes was pushed the way something like the superhero movies get pitched. Just not enough pop culture momentum going in. Outside of GI Joe fans it doesn't feel like there much demand for the movie. If people are the right age they might remember Snake Eyes as the silent guy in black from the cartoons but was there really any demand to know his back story? It's a lot like Wolverine Origin where there just wasn't this huge demand to know who the character was before. Star Wars also fizzled when they tried to have Han Solo before the story we know. Can any movie ever have the sort of openings that Hollywood got before the pandemic? Black Widow was an $80 million opening weekend. F9 was a $70 million opening weekend. When people got spoiled with watch at home on opening weekend it's made it all the harder to get people to pack into the car for a trip to the local movie theater. So far we've only had 3 films break the $100 million mark. |
07-30-2021, 03:11 PM | #219 |
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The good thing about this movie bombing is that it has the potential to finally end Lorenzo di Bonaventura’s career/reign of terror.
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07-30-2021, 04:16 PM | #220 |
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To actually state the truth, I personally hope they never make another joe or any other of my 80’s cartoons into movies. They jus have a knack of fucking everything up for everybody. They can all go to hell, and maybe come up with something original. That way they can fuck that stuff up as much as they like, and not offend us.
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