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06-10-2021, 11:02 PM | #8591 |
dreadnok
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Finally got me A Stalker today. It doesn't seem like the web gear unsnaps to come off or am I missing something? Anybody know if this actually unhooks?
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06-10-2021, 11:14 PM | #8592 |
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Just found a case of w4. I only opened the Trooper. The plastic seems real rubbery to me and his feet seem to big like Fortnight figures. Other than that and the color being off, I like it haha
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06-10-2021, 11:57 PM | #8593 |
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It does NOT unhook, but you can slip it off.
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06-11-2021, 12:29 AM | #8594 |
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Yeah they seem a little rubbery but not as bad as the 50th Destro was. His legs were the worst.
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06-11-2021, 02:14 AM | #8595 |
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Now that you guys have had some time to view the photos, it's guided tour time...
General Info: Construction is a lot like BFS with the exception of a waist swivel and the thigh/boot swivels. Everything other than the waist section is soft plastic and appears to assemble with boil/pop construction. What you may not have noticed is that there are no visible knee pins on either one of these figures. I haven't tried to disassemble the lower legs, but I imagine Hasbro borrowed from Project Green Valley on this aspect. While the Cobra trooper legs still look like trash no matter what, the Stalker legs really do look nice with a well-hidden thigh cut, boot cut, and no knee pins. It gives a much cleaner appearance that you don't appreciate until you see it side-by-side with a figure with visible knee pins. More on that later. For now, here is how these guys break down... Showing the torso articulation points: And showing the head attachment method: I didn't disassemble any further than this since this trooper is on its way to sbartek (he OK'd my little disassembly and photo shoot in advance) and I didn't want to risk any damage. The neck barbell is HUGE on the in-the-neck ball section and the neck really wants to hold onto it. Stalker's neck barbell never came out of the neck - instead the head popped off, and that took some doing. Boil/pop would probably be safest for head removal (and re-installation) to avoid breaking the barbell. Head socket depth comparison (Stalker vs MTF): Range of motion on the figures is good. Knees do what you'd expect. Elbows do better than 90 degrees, but this is probably what is also contributing to reported breakage of figure elbows. Not enough meat to support them. A bigger factor in the elbow breakage, I suspect, is that the elbow joint is pretty tight-fitting and is designed to not have the arm go fully straight. The forearm is actually designed to be pitched slightly forward. When you straighten the arm out, there is a corner of the inner disc that sticks out of the front of the elbow joint. Sanding that down to round it over might help avoid breakage. Dunno. Here is a close-up of the issue on Stalker, but the trooper has it too: Splits are insane on these guys. They get full 90-degree splits: The legs pop off with ease, but the t-bar is plastic and it's thin, so I recommend caution. Boil/pop is not necessary, but I'd recommend lifting the leg straight out sideways (full splits) and pulling the leg off straight away from the hip that direction to minimize risk to the t-bar. The leg sockets are built a lot like MTF, but the hip bar thicknesses, ball diameters, and ball textures are significantly different. MTF bars are thicker and the hip balls are larger and are either smooth or with ridges. The Joe hip bars are thinner and the hip balls are smaller in diameter and have a studded surface. Overall, these parts are not natively compatible. Putting the Joe legs onto MTF hip balls would probably stretch them out, especially over time. MTF legs on these Joes would need replacement t-bars or some filler. Here is the difference in sizes and appearance: Now is also a good time to appreciate the lack of visible knee pins: Legs are about the same as MTF, overall: I notice that the knees are in different positions in the legs also. I'm not sure which is more anatomically correct, but they are different. When it comes to leg swapping, BFS t-bars are thinner and have smaller hip balls, so they might be directly swappable with these Retro Joes. I didn't test for that though. Feet scale large on these Retro Joes. Stalker isn't too bad, but the trooper has clown feet: Hands have also appeared oddly large in photos of these figures, but when placed side-by-side the general hand size is actually pretty par for the course: The hands are a bit larger on these Joes, for sure, but not as bad as they sometimes look in photos. I think the trouble comes down to the length of the digits and - especially on the trooper - the size of the grip position. This photo showcases a bit of both aspects: The mid-chest split is a ball joint design, not a simple swivel. Range of motion on the chest split is pretty darn good. It looks like a boil and pop would get the upper torso off, but I haven't tried it. The waist swivel doesn't add much, but it's there and it's tight enough that it doesn't really hurt anything (unlike the buck used for 50th Falcon, for example). Parts are swappable between Stalker and the trooper: That's about it for general construction info. Cobra Trooper: Opinions seemed to soften when people viewed the 30th/50th Cobra trooper next to the Retro trooper. I didn't find the comparison to be flattering for the Retro trooper at all, personally. It just made me take a more critical look at the 30th/50th trooper and realize a few areas that need improvement there (feet are actually a bit too small, the legs at the hip stick out, I've never been impressed by the webgear...). But if nothing else positive can be said about the Retro trooper, at least he has about the same overall height and about the same overall limb lengths. The sculpt on the Retro trooper is very rudimentary. There is no fine texture, the wrinkles are minimal in number and oversized where they do exist. The lengths of the limbs are ok enough, but the proportions for diameter and the shape of the limbs is just bizarre. This is not the normal human form. The forearms are thicker than the upper arms (not just where the unpainted tech bracers - or whatever they are supposed to be - are, but everywhere). The hands just look enormous, as previously discussed. This trooper will have a hard time holding any traditional weapons from vintage or other ME figures due to the size of his grip. Every one of the accessories that comes with the Cobra trooper is rubbery and flexible. The pistol and the knife don't really suffer for it, but the bazooka and rifle both do. Especially the rifle, which is bowed straight from the package and is larger than the previous version, and is not painted at all: The bazooka's eyepiece was wobbly straight from the package and fell off when I was putting it into the trooper's hands for a photo. Lame. The grip is also pretty large. I doubt you could get a 25th-50th era figure to hold it. The sculpt is very basic, and it's painted. Yeah, rubbery AND painted. Look forward to lots of paint wear. The helmet is also flexible and wants to flatten itself when it's not on a head, so it looks like crap on its own but it can be put onto larger/varied heads which is probably an overall plus as long as you don't want to use the helmet for a diorama piece or to have the figure holding the helmet rather than wearing it. Anyway, here it is on a fatter MTF head: The leg holster has an early 25th-anniversary vibe to it. It's pretty boxy and basic, but the pistol fits nicely inside and stays put. The webgear cannot be opened up. It has been glued at its connection point in the back, which is small and fragile-looking and which I do not think was designed for anything other than one-time installation: You can, however, remove the legs and slide the straps down over the shoulders to work the webgear off of the bottom of the figure's torso. Follow the same process in reverse to put the webgear back onto the trooper or onto any other figure that can fit. It's a pretty good size for a MTF trooper body: MTF vests fit on the Cobra trooper body fairly loosely: The trooper's chest is not as large as Stalkers and the trooper's waist is downright skinny. Stalker: Where the trooper lacks in surface detail, Stalker has texture on just about every bit of him. His shirt is not only ribbed, but also has knit sweater appearance. His pants also have a canvas/jeans type of texture. They did a nice job on that. The wrinkles are not as sparse as they are on the trooper, and they are much finer. Paint apps were skipped on the waist and the knees, which is unfortunate. Also, this is as far down to his sides as he can get is arms. This is the only disappointment I have with his articulation's range of motion (I hate rocker ankles, but the range on these seems pretty standard for rockers). Just like the trooper's accessories, all of Stalker's accessories are rubbery. The machine guns are pretty useless in my opinion. Plan on replacing them. The pistol and knife are just fine though. The webgear for Stalker is also glued closed in the back: This set is harder to remove than the trooper's but it's the same basic procedure. Once it's off, it fits well on MTF figures: MTF vests have a hard time closing on Stalker's chest, however: If you heat and stretch the vest into place you might get it to work, but you're not likely to get it to fit without special effort. The holster on the webgear is nicely detailed as well, and holds the pistol nicely without falling out.
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06-11-2021, 11:38 AM | #8597 |
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Thanks for the review Zap!!! Stalker looks good. The trooper can kick rocks.
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06-11-2021, 02:25 PM | #8598 |
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West side Walmart in Casper has them out today
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06-11-2021, 04:27 PM | #8599 |
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Hey, since Wyoming is the least populated state, is hunting easier there? I imagine you guys probably get less product that a more populous state, plus all the stores are probably in your more populous towns anyway, so competition is there regardless.
I stumbled on a fresh case of these guys, and even though I don't want 3 Troopers and 3 Stalkers, I bought them all. Scalpy fucks have gotten really terrible here, so when I find something, not only does it feel like a major win (for a stupid kid's toy!), I also feel this weird nonsensical desire to buy them all just so a fucking reseller doesn't get it. It's stupid, but I'm sick of how these scalpers have made toy collecting a real drag. Anyway, I just want to live in a place where I can find a toy I want at retail without having to play games and/or plan my day to include checking multiple stores...I mean, Jesus Fuck that's no way to live! lol
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06-11-2021, 04:45 PM | #8600 |
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I stumbled on a fresh case of these guys, and even though I don't want 3 Troopers and 3 Stalkers, I bought them all. Scalpy fucks have gotten really terrible here, so when I find something, not only does it feel like a major win (for a stupid kid's toy!), I also feel this weird nonsensical desire to buy them all just so a fucking reseller doesn't get it. It's stupid, but I'm sick of how these scalpers have made toy collecting a real drag.
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