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05-09-2021, 06:13 AM | #221 |
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Why design a vehicle for only urban terrain though? Especially for a force intended to operate in a colonial setting where has to assume that things are far less developed than earth. Even in the movie the terrain immediately surrounding Hadley’s Hope was brutal and they had ZERO idea of what they were headed into on that operation. In an urban setting what if the precious road is cratered or there’s a ton of debris? Do you pause the mission to radio the ship to send down an engineering vehicle to clear a path?
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05-10-2021, 05:16 AM | #222 |
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Why design a vehicle for only urban terrain though? Especially for a force intended to operate in a colonial setting where has to assume that things are far less developed than earth. Even in the movie the terrain immediately surrounding Hadley’s Hope was brutal and they had ZERO idea of what they were headed into on that operation. In an urban setting what if the precious road is cratered or there’s a ton of debris? Do you pause the mission to radio the ship to send down an engineering vehicle to clear a path?
Secondly however, Gorman had this Op and as The FUBAR BOOT fits up HIS Ass on selection for the Op of resources I would say. Thirdly, DoD, MoD have spent big on hardware that Does not work in various terrains. So why would the Future Not be the same. Moreso as The Corporations have Even more control of National Military services than they Scarily do now. End of the day it Is more practical than the original concept APC for the film. |
05-10-2021, 10:45 AM | #223 |
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Why design a vehicle for only urban terrain though? Especially for a force intended to operate in a colonial setting where has to assume that things are far less developed than earth. Even in the movie the terrain immediately surrounding Hadley’s Hope was brutal and they had ZERO idea of what they were headed into on that operation. In an urban setting what if the precious road is cratered or there’s a ton of debris? Do you pause the mission to radio the ship to send down an engineering vehicle to clear a path?
Firstly, their name having 'Colonial' in it doesn't require they only operate in terraforming field conditions only partially adapted to human use. The name may being like how the French Foreign Legion is made up of foreigners joining the French military these guys may simply be Marines recruited from the Colonies and set apart due to this or that issue. Secondly, and what's probably the real death sentence for your argument: you assume Lt Gorman was good at planning. |
05-10-2021, 07:33 PM | #224 |
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Have none of you guys read the Colonial Marines Tech Manual? The M577 can elevate its chassis for up to 20 inches of ground clearance.
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05-11-2021, 01:28 AM | #225 |
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Better execution would involve having a real APC for troop insertion. Then Xenos would take out the APC. The slab would serve as a high torque freight hauler used to move goods from the factory to a catapult/launch pad that's commodeered by the marines in their escape. Granted my solution probably wouldn't work due to lack of funds for the film. If I remember correctly, the film was saddled with that APC because they didn't have the fund or time to build anything better. |
05-11-2021, 03:33 AM | #226 |
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And saying that the APC "didn't actually have or demonstrate" such features is simply obtuse. The Marines traveled around the surface of LV-426 in it without issue until Ripley got behind the wheel. Obviously, it has the ability to negotiate rough terrain under normal circumstances (as opposed to being driven through walls by a heavily-traumatized, untrained operator) and the variable chassis height mentioned in the Tech Manual is simply a very elegant, perfectly plausible explanation for how it does that. Quote:
The base concept for the APC was a tow rig used for pulling 747s and Airbusses around. It's entire structure is predicated on never driving over anything as formidable as a speed bump. You know your forces are off to a rough start when the APC can be rendered inoperable by most strip mall parking lots.
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05-11-2021, 07:30 AM | #227 |
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Aliens is my one of my favourite films and I love the APC.. but it’s a rubbish design for practicality. Even with an additional 20 inches of clearance that bow overhang in the front and the distance between the front and rear axels would prove deadly the first time this thing hits any sort of terrain. I know that governments sometimes saddle militaries with turkey vehicles, but these are things they worked out in WWI.
As far as the Colonial Marines being like the Foreign Legion... maybe they do recruit from off world to fill their ranks... but we explicitly and only see them operating as a way to project US power in a colonial setting... so it’s not a stretch to say that their primary goal is not operating in a heavily urbanised Earth. All the stated disadvantages of the APC’s design would still apply in any sort of urban combat, and given the expense and most importantly TIME involved in interstellar operations it would be absolutely necessary to equip such a force with vehicles and equipment able to operate in the widest possible range of environments. Finally... yes Gorman was a total incompetent... but he is not responsible for the USCM’s procurement process. He’s a butter bar who has to work with the equipment he’s given.
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05-11-2021, 08:21 AM | #228 |
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It's highly unlikely that the terrain between the Hadley's Hope colony proper and the atmospheric processing facility is anywhere near as smooth and forgiving as a strip mall parking lot. The colonists' primary utility vehicle has a ground clearance of somewhere in the neighborhood of six to seven feet, so paving roads would be the last thing on their minds at that stage in the development of the colony:
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05-11-2021, 08:51 AM | #229 |
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So a few things:
It would be silly to think the roads were paved or at least perfect enough between the Atmo center to Hadleys for a low slung GOV with no ability to raise or lower suspension. The tech manual, retcon or not confirms this. We don’t see the marines pee in the movie, so I guess they don’t go to bathroom ever. That’s the type of reasoning some are using here. I don’t need everything spoon feed to me, I had always assumed there must be a way to raise or lower via suspension. Or: Let’s pretend the tech manual never came out and it’s a static suspension designed for urban use only. It so, it’s still perfection for the movie for two reasons. Aliens is an allegory for the US entering the Vietnam war. The drop ship design even has a very F4 look to it. The APC looks like something from that era. The US came in with bravado and it’s superior firepower and got its ass kicked from the locals. Same thing happens in the movie. They came in saying ‘we have this and that, they are just a bunch of bugs’. They were willfully unprepared. Gorman put the mission together thinking ‘hey, we just need to get dropped at a colony complex and to check up on the expats, we won’t need anymore beyond an urban troop transport’. It was bad planning and perfection for the over arching theme Cameron wanted. It’s silly to think that’s the only transport they have in the USCMC. I love the design myself. It may not work for xenos, but it makes sense for urban pacification/troop transport. |
05-11-2021, 08:59 AM | #230 |
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All the stated disadvantages of the APC’s design would still apply in any sort of urban combat, and given the expense and most importantly TIME involved in interstellar operations it would be absolutely necessary to equip such a force with vehicles and equipment able to operate in the widest possible range of environments. Finally... yes Gorman was a total incompetent... but he is not responsible for the USCM’s procurement process. He’s a butter bar who has to work with the equipment he’s given.
Thinking about it all again I'm struck with the question of why didn't W-Y send a mission of just androids? /y'all are still bad-mouthing The SLAB. //SLAB is LIFE. |
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