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10-14-2020, 01:51 AM | #121 |
Mass Nerderer
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I had a huge 25th/PoC/Modern Era collection - sold it all off back in 2017 to get back into the vintage o-ring figures. I do like the ME construction and figures alot and have built back up a small collection. O-ring figs just hit me differently - I know alot of it is based in nostalgia. I also don't consider the o-ring to be inferior to the ME construction or vice-versa. They are simply two different interpretations of GI Joe. I personally felt a lot of the ME figures went over the top with the amount of accessories included, I always felt nervous to bend a figures elbows or knees in fear I might damage the figure etc. O-ring figures to me seem to have the best combination of both while sacrificing detail and (over)articulation. I can go further into my personal frustrations with cracked elbows/crotches on ARAH figures and it being something I am OCD about even though I can't control. While I have discovered some workarounds to cope with it the ME figures softer plastic wins out here for sure.
The 25th-50th line also offered very little in the way of new sculpt vehicles that were better suited to the 4" scale figures. The 2011 VAMP and HISS are both incredible re-imaginings of their vintage counterparts and are superior in every way - they are truly great vehicles intended for the ME scale (4") figures - I have them both and think they are awesome. No one is really clamoring for a mole Pod though if you catch my drift. So much of the modern era in terms of vehicles was dependent upon the ARAH vintage vehicles and most times there was no consideration put into place to accommodate the larger figures (the Skystriker cockpit being a notable exception). So I do find it funny that when arguing the ARAH vs. ME that vehicles are never really dragged into the fight because ME depends heavily on the vintage molds for the vehicles. The vintage figures fit pretty much all of the re-released vintage vehicles better than ME figures. Alot of my vehicle collection for my ARAH figures are actually the re-releases from the 25th anniversary and onwards of the original vehicles. I guess my point is every collector is different. We all have different wants, a personal vision of our joe-verse or simply different reasons why we collect. I have run the gamut - being a kid during the ARAH era, collecting the RAHC collection in 2000/2001 right on through the new sculpt figs of 2002-2006. Jumped right in to the 25th anniversary line and stuck with the modern era construction until Hasbro ended the run in 2015. I had the funds and the interest in the ME line but over time I felt that my collection should revolve around vintage ARAH for the most part. Now I am back to to where I began with a sprinkling of the "retro" figures if they pique my interest. Suffice to say, as great as they are, I'm still 100% o-ring, and were I given an ultimatum in which I could only keep one era, I'd throw ME into a bonfire without a second thought. Still, from a strictly aesthetic standpoint, I see the appeal- hell, I have been buying them up myself lately!
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10-14-2020, 06:18 AM | #122 |
The Man You Know & Love
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That's where I'm at. I give ME it's due respect. It's a great looking line(s), and though I came on late, they have me hook, line and sinker... but I'll also say that they're great looking, meaning that they make excellent display pieces, but horrible toys. I could go into all of that here, soft plastics, the abandonment of "snap on, stay on", etc., but that's been done here many times, including by myself.
Suffice to say, as great as they are, I'm still 100% o-ring, and were I given an ultimatum in which I could only keep one era, I'd throw ME into a bonfire without a second thought. Still, from a strictly aesthetic standpoint, I see the appeal- hell, I have been buying them up myself lately! |
10-15-2020, 04:40 PM | #123 |
Crimson Guard
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Me too! The only gripe I have with what Hasbro has done this year with the brand was to label the 4" line as "retro". That misled alot of us o-ring fans as we compared what Hasbro did with Star Wars and Transformers retro lines and made the logical assumption that the retro Joe line would also be the classic o-ring construction.
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10-16-2020, 02:48 PM | #124 |
Reptilian Ninja
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Jacksonville, Fl
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Retro doesnt exactly mean the same exact thing. It literally means "Imitating a past style." Would have been cool if it was oring but didnt really need to be in order to be retro in that sense. I like how they did it but wish they used different figures in wave 1 minus baroness.
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10-24-2020, 11:41 AM | #125 |
Iron Grenadier
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With Retro and Classified continuing to sell well and the movie pushed back until about a year from now, now is a great time to do this. I would be surprised if the team at Hasbro has not looked into the idea and checked the condition of any molds not explicitly destroyed (China or India). Hasbro seems to like 6-figure case assortments, so here's what I would do:
Wave 1- Figures unseen since 20th century, all new molds. Priority-popular and/or iconic characters Joes: Snake Eyes V2, Gung Ho V1, Shipwreck V1. All iconic Sunbow characters Cobra: Cobra Commander V1, Destro V1, Major Bludd. All Cobra heavy hitters. Wave 2- Molds that if Hasbro doesn't still have, they'd be willing to invest in recreating 100%, lots of repaint potential Joes- Stalker V1, Duke V1, Lady Jaye V1. With Wave 1, Duke would already have the legs, Stalker would open the door to Hawk and Grunt with "new" heads, Lady Jaye is a more "military" figure than Scarlett or Jinx and they MIGHT still have the CP remold Cobra- Storm Shadow V1, Trooper, Baroness |
10-24-2020, 12:30 PM | #126 |
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I am not going to be buying any of the current Walmart Retro line. However, if they did a retro line in the vein of Matthew LeCroy's stuff - O-Ring, modern sculpts, that 'look' vintage - I would definitely buy that.
Imagine, a 'new sculpt' redo of Hooded Cobra Commander, or Destro, or Wild Bill. Take your pick of the classic figures that were never the best sculpts. I would love to see them redone with modern talent and technology - but still be o-ring exact replicas of the designs. https://www.facebook.com/pages/categ...2115630029680/ |
10-24-2020, 01:20 PM | #127 |
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I am not going to be buying any of the current Walmart Retro line. However, if they did a retro line in the vein of Matthew LeCroy's stuff - O-Ring, modern sculpts, that 'look' vintage - I would definitely buy that.
Imagine, a 'new sculpt' redo of Hooded Cobra Commander, or Destro, or Wild Bill. Take your pick of the classic figures that were never the best sculpts. I would love to see them redone with modern talent and technology - but still be o-ring exact replicas of the designs. https://www.facebook.com/pages/categ...2115630029680/ |
02-02-2021, 11:57 PM | #128 |
Mauler pool
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Question: For those of you who have no interest in a reissue of Hasbro's original (and best) 3 3/4" G.I. Joe figures that children of the '70s and '80s grew up with, why are you even commenting on this thread? Just to rain on everyone else's parade? There's no need for the negativity and condescension. And there's especially no call for some 19-year-old smart-alecky kid's obnoxious ageism. "That'd be fine for elderly people . . ." *Elderly* people??? You've got to be kidding me. Talk about audacity. And this coming from someone who wasn't born until like a decade *after* the original ARAH G.I. Joe toy line ended. Seriously?
As for the rest of you who actually experienced the awesomeness of 1980s G.I. Joe live and in color, it is incomprehensible to me that you would NOT want to see the incomparable toys of your childhood re-released exactly as you remember them. WHY??? It makes no sense whatsoever, especially when nostalgia is running wild. I mean, as adults, what possible sentimental value could you get from any modern toys? What significant memories are you making with them? In other words, how could these dramatically different modernized G.I. Joe (or Transformers or He-Man, etc.) products *mean* anything special to you, especially when they look and feel completely different from the toys you played with as kids? I just don't get it. Furthermore, for those of you who keep saying, "Just go buy the vintage G.I. Joe toys," how much money do you people have anyway? Do you make a six- or seven-figure salary? Unless you're living under a rock, prices for vintage toy lines, especially 1980s G.I. Joe, are INSANE now, and they just keep skyrocketing. MOC and MIB items are absolutely exorbitant in most cases, and even loose toys are outrageously overpriced. Believe me, if the original factory-sealed toys were still reasonably priced, I wouldn't be posting here! I'd much rather own the Real McCoys over anything else, obviously! But since the originals are *not* affordable, getting Hasbro to replicate and reissue them as faithfully as possible would be the only way us poor paupers could afford to build/re-build a nice collection. Kapeesh? |
02-03-2021, 12:08 AM | #129 |
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Question: For those of you who have no interest in a reissue of Hasbro's original (and best) 3 3/4" G.I. Joe figures that children of the '70s and '80s grew up with, why are you even commenting on this thread? Just to rain on everyone else's parade? There's no need for the negativity and condescension. And there's especially no call for some 19-year-old smart-alecky kid's obnoxious ageism. "That'd be fine for elderly people . . ." *Elderly* people??? You've got to be kidding me. Talk about audacity. And this coming from someone who wasn't born until like a decade *after* the original ARAH G.I. Joe toy line ended. Seriously?
As for the rest of you who actually experienced the awesomeness of 1980s G.I. Joe live and in color, it is incomprehensible to me that you would NOT want to see the incomparable toys of your childhood re-released exactly as you remember them. WHY??? It makes no sense whatsoever, especially when nostalgia is running wild. I mean, as adults, what possible sentimental value could you get from any modern toys? What significant memories are you making with them? In other words, how could these dramatically different modernized G.I. Joe (or Transformers or He-Man, etc.) products *mean* anything special to you, especially when they look and feel completely different from the toys you played with as kids? I just don't get it. Furthermore, for those of you who keep saying, "Just go buy the vintage G.I. Joe toys," how much money do you people have anyway? Do you make a six- or seven-figure salary? Unless you're living under a rock, prices for vintage toy lines, especially 1980s G.I. Joe, are INSANE now, and they just keep skyrocketing. MOC and MIB items are absolutely exorbitant in most cases, and even loose toys are outrageously overpriced. Believe me, if the original factory-sealed toys were still reasonably priced, I wouldn't be posting here! I'd much rather own the Real McCoys over anything else, obviously! But since the originals are *not* affordable, getting Hasbro to replicate and reissue them as faithfully as possible would be the only way us poor paupers could afford to build/re-build a nice collection. Kapeesh?
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02-03-2021, 12:58 AM | #130 |
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I ruined myself buying all the ME figs I could get, but unlike the vintage figs, I was never satisfied because of the inaccuracies or other weird proportion/quirks. i cut myself often, attempting to correct the figures and wasted nights customizing them.
there was something about the original figs... they were not anatomically accurate but we accepted them. i just think they had a better toy feel. they played well. but it was also different times. a 1982 grunt figure was absolutely revolutionary in 1982 compared to starwars stiffs... while a new ME fig, destro reissue 345562 tends to be a yawn. what? it does not have individually moving fingers yet? his black suit is off the vintage pantone chart... times have changed, we were easier to entertain and probably less entitled. like Kirk Bozigian said on these podcasts, today's figures are beautiful sculpts. amazing movie replicas. not toys tho. Too many joints are unnecessary for a toy aimed at a 8 years old. attempting to reach ultra realism sets you for failure at the slightest discrepancy. today's toy critics are looking as if the vintage toys were aimed at 35 years old males from today. they were not. most of us grown up adults buying toys today are posing them, displaying them and worshipping them in clear plastic jails. i think hasbro should release statues of them. no need for articulation. maybe virtual models of them, and sell empty boxes of the vehicles. i would buy these! just sell cards, boxes, might be enough! the joe fandom is interesting as it encompasses different generations not agreeeing with each other. for example, some of us grew up with duke and scarlett, 1982-1984 joes then left the hobby when others got in during the ninja force years. for someone the 1990s ninja force is snake eyes from their childhood while someone else feels insulted because his was the 1982 or 1985 version of it. and then we have new kids stomping on our childhood because fortnite and the last ME is their cup of tea and we sound like grumpy geezers preventing them to be happy. joe was fantasy with elements rooted with realism. when i see fans making custom joes looking more like a bloody fallujah squad... uhhhh, yeah, the joe fantasy in the 80s was friendlier than reenacting Massacres from Cambodia & red khmers. to each his own. i suspect hasbro will not cater to us , older, niche, aging and dying vintage fans. joe started from a wave of patriotism and times have changed. marvel and other licenses clearly are executed better. joe has a military feel that is problematic. hasbro will not stand for it. they seem to be ashamed of it. irony is that it provided the dough that made this company who they are today. sure, hasbro will milk a few quick bucks from us. but we are nowhere as big as other, less sensitive brands. other licenses can be entirely brought back because there are no political or controversial elements in them. my friend tells me joe is a dated fantasy that did not age well. if you let kids chose from everything that is available today, it's pretty cheesy and not universally cool. joe is not a fashionable brand today. it's not fantasy enough and it has been milked to death. just look at Fortnite. fortnite is the cool for kids today that was what joe used to be for us. fantasy, action, modern and fun. the mild violence is somewhat accepted like Kirk Bozigian says, chap mei and other toyrus military aisle do a better job than hasbro, in case someone says "military does not sell" notice how joe is not american anymore, there are no bold red, white and blue stripes but a grey logo and it's an international team... anyway, just like lucas muddied his own creations, hasbro is tbe worse thing that can happen to gijoe. knowing where the line came from and seeing what they are doing to it... makes us sound like old geezers and lose the battle! those who know less can happily live in bliss and enjoy what's currently out there. good for you! enough political, philosophical talk and geezer opinions... and back on topic i sold all my 25th and modern era joes and got back in vintage joe figs. see my threads. to each their own. some pics here, see why i cannot accept modern era necks. period. NECA does it right on their Arnold predator fig, and so does hasbro on their lastest Dr Doom fig at a much lower price than the classified figs. I gave up on hasbro doing proper vintage reissues. a bunch of clowns making the decisions. i am fixing and buying old vintage figs and vehicles, and making my own. everybody can, the way the creative team did it from 1982 to 1994 thanks to you all, them internets, 3D printers and good ol' elbow grease, you too can be Bill Merklein, Greg Berndtson, Ron Rudat, or pretent to! live the fantasy! yo joe! HOT TAKE: vintage Palitoys 80s sculpts and realism was better executed than the modern era figs. Change my mind!
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