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06-29-2017, 10:25 PM | #22021 |
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Thanks John, I consider him a junior O3 when he attends BUD/S, if you include time in service for his flight and advanced flight training. Anecdotally I've read that some officers as high ranked as O4 have gone thru BUD/S but that's quite rare.
One thing I forgot to add to his bio is how I'm planning on portraying the character. Since he's pretty much a blank slate character wise, I plan on writing him as a bit of a straight arrow compared to Hawk. Where Hawk tends to buck authority, clash with his superiors, think outside the box and generally trust the man on the ground (I envision him as an officer like Pete Blaber), Keel Haul is more umm 'evenly keeled'. He's big on honor, decorum, a stickler for the rules and is somewhat detached (like he's playing chess with everything around him). That may seem at odds with his background as a fighter jock and SEAL who have the reputation for being aggressive but to me, he's more traditional military whereas Hawk is more of a cowboy. I envision him as more of a Bob Harward (ex-SEAL commander) type, who apparently refused to debrief his team until they were properly groomed. |
07-01-2017, 03:38 AM | #22022 |
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Commander - Hawk Deputy Commander (Ops) - Keel Haul Deputy Commander (Intel) - Clancy Executive Officer - IDW Firewall Command Warrant - Flint Command Senior Enlisted Leader - Duke J1 Admin - Maj. Hidalgo (from Renegades, based on author Pablo Hidalgo) J2 Intel - Medina (from Devil's Due) J3 Ops - LTC Colton (from Retaliation) J4 Logistics - Ledger J5 Plans - Hammerdown (IDW character) J6 Signals - Sparks J7 Training & Force Development - Dr. Johannson (GI Joe Extreme Comic) J8 Combat Development - Brainstorm (IDW Character) Command Chaplain - Maj. Peters (Devil's Due Interrogator disguise) Command Engineer - Vacant whilst I figure out a call sign / backstory Command Historian - Prof. Indiana Jones (based on the 12" figure) Command Psychologist - Exorcist / Dr. Mike Singh (IDW book character) Command Surgeon - GI Nurse (not the same character as Jane) Command Security Officer - CDR Roston (GI Joe Extreme character) Comptroller - Maj. Hooper (Cartoon character) HQ Commandant - Charles Fairmont (ARAH cartoon character) Inspector General's Office - Dr. Deborah Carday (Cartoon character) Public Affairs Officer - Maj. Virgil Carmody (Prototype Super Trooper) Science & Technology - GI Jane Staff Judge Advocate - IDW Downtown USSOCOM Liaison Office - LTC Graves (GI Joe 3D Character) JSOC Liaison Office - LTC Johnson (GI Joe 3D Character) National Capitol Region Office - LTC Vorlick (IDW ARAH Hawk Disguise) Regional Operations Center - ROC Hawk The Regional Operations Center or ROC is a play on both the Joes Devil's Due HQ 'The Rock' and the abbreviation of 'Rise of Cobra'. I place all my 'NATO' uniformed ROC figures here. The ROC acts as a hub for small detachments and pre-positioned forces embedded in Theater Special Operations Command Nodes(TSOCs) and Embassies as part of the Joe's global reach. It's based on the SF Group's Regional Support Detachment. |
07-01-2017, 09:09 AM | #22023 |
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Pretty well thought out. I suppose staff officer level guys like Sure-fire, Bullet-Proof, Courage, Payload are somewhere else?
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07-01-2017, 12:34 PM | #22024 |
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Here's a question for you guys. How do you use Sci-fi in a realistic Joe verse? I can't see a situation where I would want a laser rifle with a large backpack instead of just a rifle. I've thought about making it some type of non-lethal weapon or maybe his role is the experimental weapons tester? I'm open to some other ideas.
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you could if you wanted, reconfigure Ninja Force to be a team of CIA black ops types who are all martial arts trained, but not actual ninjas, they instead call themselves that as a joke because they specialise in sneaky missions and their training, similar to Tom Clancy's LID unit that Chavez was part of in Clear and Present Danger, before the Agency recruited him for the operation to Colombia, was known as the Ninjas and carried shuriken and had the badass boast 'We own the night'.
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07-01-2017, 01:17 PM | #22025 |
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One of the operational squadrons will become the 'Global Response Force' available to respond to anything that comes down the pike. The troops will rotate so one will always be the at call troop ready to deploy. One of the Troop's two 8 man teams (with attached sniper support) will be on no notice status, the next team will be on 30 mins, the next troop 1hr etc. The other operational squadron will diverge, 2 troops (usually the Air and Boat Troops) will become the 'Domestic Employment Force' and be available for any domestic support operations. The DEF is commanded by Sure Fire. One troop becomes the 'Tactical Assault Troop' and operates with a permanently assigned FBI HRT element which are split into two rotating detachments; one led by Bullet Proof and the other by Iron Sides (COPS Bulletproof) The other troop becomes the 'Offshore Assault Troop' and operates with a permanently assigned USCG element led by Cutter. The mobility and mountain troops from that split Operational Squadron becomes the 'Special Activities Force' and operates on behalf of the Intelligence Community and are partnered with para-military detachments of the Special Activities Division, including 'Ninja Force'. Whilst under the operational control of the CIA, Joe operators receive temporary CIA protections under a process called 'Sheep dipping'. The CIA element is commanded by the Devil's Due version of Duke. see this article which articulates it better than I could 'The Way Of The Knife': Soldiers, Spies And Shadow Wars : NPR The Squadron commands are currently; A Squadron - LTC Rey B Squadron - LTC Courage C Squadron - LTC Flagg D Squadron - Still working on it, but it'll be a SEAL operator Combat Support Squadron - LTC Storm Mission Support Squadron - LTC Buzzard (Renegades Hawk) Mobility Support Squadron - LTC Payload Support Squadron - LTC Sharp Training Squadron - LTC Guile |
07-01-2017, 01:58 PM | #22026 |
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Are they? I've heard of SAMS graduates being called Jedis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School...litary_Studies - given the results of their planning the last decade or so it's probably ironically appropriate, given how the Star Wars Jedis managed to get themselves all but wiped out), but never the Tier 1 guys.
SEAL Team 6 - My Incredible story of an elite sniper by Howard Wasdin; The Men Who Stare at Goats (also a great movie) by Jon Ronson; Operation Dark Heart by LTC Anthony Schaeffer; The Operator by Robert O'Neill (which is a great book btw, highly recommended); SEAL Target Geronimo by Chuck Pfarrer I'm sure it's come up in a Dalton Fury book but I can't find the reference. There's probably tons of folks on Call of Duty forums who refer to them as that as well (and a whole slew of fiction novels, especially Robert Orr books) but those above are the legitimate sources I've come across in my travels. It even made the NY Times ‘Seal Team Six’ and ‘The Heart and the Fist’ - Reviews - The New York Times Whether it's true, whether it isn't, I just see it as a modern version of the term 'snake eater'. Just a term of respect to their talent, training and skills |
07-01-2017, 02:29 PM | #22027 |
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Here's something I can't recall ever coming up. I noticed this the other day. According to his 2002 Filecard;
http://www.yojoe.com/images/resize/w...beachhead4.jpg Beach Head has a Master EOD badge which means he'd have to have had passed the Basic and Senior badge requirements and served at least 60 months cumulative service in an EOD billet since getting the senior badge https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-20...-sec578-90.pdf I've never regarded him as an EOD guy. Interesting. |
07-01-2017, 02:42 PM | #22028 |
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How about Magnum as your SEAL commander? Stole that from Oliverbox and have never looked back. Or Commander Waters, Bruce Willis, Tears from the Sun Character. Retaliation Colton is not my Joe Colton.
I liked the DDP Duke as a Government operative, which gives him the rank equivalency of say a Colonel and adds some welcomed contention to Gijoe. In fact I think its a great way to retire some Joes, but keep them involved in the Spec Op world. I could see Flint going down that path too. What is your DDP Duke's name?
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07-01-2017, 03:21 PM | #22029 |
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How about Magnum as your SEAL commander? Stole that from Oliverbox and have never looked back. Or Commander Waters, Bruce Willis, Tears from the Sun Character. Retaliation Colton is not my Joe Colton.
I liked the DDP Duke as a Government operative, which gives him the rank equivalency of say a Colonel and adds some welcomed contention to Gijoe. In fact I think its a great way to retire some Joes, but keep them involved in the Spec Op world. I could see Flint going down that path too. What is your DDP Duke's name? Whenever possible I want to use a new call sign that has some connection with the 'original', so some of my other Duke-a-likes have call signs like Mogul (TF Duke) and King (Action Force Duke), Noble and Mikado are others. Probably lame, I know. As for Magnum, I had him as my J2 way back when I first started posting in the thread. That was back when I had the A-Team, Knight Rider and I even had the cast of JAG as my legal team But I changed my philosophy of character use, I'm trying to use Joe source material only (to include multiple variations of the same characters, recognized bootlegs / molds, foreign variants, comics, cartoons, books, coloring books, toys (including 12 inch), prototypes and pre-production, etc). Using characters from outside would be easier and in many ways more like how I used them as a kid but I'd like to publish my fanfic thru Kindle worlds at some point so having outside characters might be difficult. |
07-01-2017, 10:46 PM | #22030 |
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The reference has come up alot in my reading. From my notes;
SEAL Team 6 - My Incredible story of an elite sniper by Howard Wasdin; The Men Who Stare at Goats (also a great movie) by Jon Ronson; Operation Dark Heart by LTC Anthony Schaeffer; The Operator by Robert O'Neill (which is a great book btw, highly recommended); SEAL Target Geronimo by Chuck Pfarrer I'm sure it's come up in a Dalton Fury book but I can't find the reference. There's probably tons of folks on Call of Duty forums who refer to them as that as well (and a whole slew of fiction novels, especially Robert Orr books) but those above are the legitimate sources I've come across in my travels. It even made the NY Times ‘Seal Team Six’ and ‘The Heart and the Fist’ - Reviews - The New York Times Whether it's true, whether it isn't, I just see it as a modern version of the term 'snake eater'. Just a term of respect to their talent, training and skills Quote:
I'm leaning towards the name 'Bishop'.
Whenever possible I want to use a new call sign that has some connection with the 'original', so some of my other Duke-a-likes have call signs like Mogul (TF Duke) and King (Action Force Duke), Noble and Mikado are others. Probably lame, I know. As for Magnum, I had him as my J2 way back when I first started posting in the thread. That was back when I had the A-Team, Knight Rider and I even had the cast of JAG as my legal team |
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