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04-23-2017, 11:12 AM | #61 |
Iron Grenadier
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The alternative is Joe ends up like Star Wars, where there are no fully articulated figures in the 4" scale for Rebels, TFA or Rogue One. Which means the 4" collector settles for lower quality product, moves to six inch or makes due trying to graft the 5 POA SW figures with MGR or HACKs bodies.
You also continue to ignore the likely fact that with Hasbro announcing they are creating a new brand direction that there likely isn't going to be a 4" articulated RAH-esque Joe line to begin with, regardless if they make a 6" line or not. Quote:
Hasbro actively tried to push collectors to the 6" scale. They explicitly stated they were going to limit articulation on the 4" figures to make them kid friendly. That might make sense for characters that have been made 20 times in the 4" scale, but it leaves 4" collectors that have followed Rebels, TFA and Rogue One with glaring holes in their collections. At least the main characters, should get one 4" Black Series figure.
There is no "should" to this discussion. Hasbro had zero obligation to fill anyone's glaring collection holes. The individual collectors OCD about what figure they need in their collection to achieve emotional peace is an individual issue. From a product standpoint there can be no hole in a collection because a collection of product can only be the collection of the product that does exist. If a collector needs his new toys to copy the precision of an irrelevant third factor like unmade characters from movies or other incarnations of the toys, that is his personal issue and not an obligation by Hasbro to fulfill simply because they make the toys. It's perhaps an opportunity for Hasbro to profit from that they are missing but that is not your argument; you are arguing that collectors "should" get a product as if they are entitled to get everything they want. |
04-23-2017, 12:41 PM | #62 |
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Why does Hasbro have some sort of obligation to 4" Joe collectors that should dictate whether they make a 6" Joe line or not? If 4" collectors are left without a product they like and have to seek other means to get 4" articulated military figures, that's their choice. That has nothing to do with whether a 6" RAH line is viable. The existing 4" Joe collector has already proven to not be a market even worth pursuing, so it would be ridiculous for Hasbro to make decisions based on that market.
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You also continue to ignore the likely fact that with Hasbro announcing they are creating a new brand direction that there likely isn't going to be a 4" articulated RAH-esque Joe line to begin with, regardless if they make a 6" line or not.
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Again, you talk as if 4" collectors are owed or deserving of product and are entitled to have every figure they want made in the precise scale and format of their desires. The answer to that is "tough shite."
There is no "should" to this discussion. Hasbro had zero obligation to fill anyone's glaring collection holes. The individual collectors OCD about what figure they need in their collection to achieve emotional peace is an individual issue. From a product standpoint there can be no hole in a collection because a collection of product can only be the collection of the product that does exist. If a collector needs his new toys to copy the precision of an irrelevant third factor like unmade characters from movies or other incarnations of the toys, that is his personal issue and not an obligation by Hasbro to fulfill simply because they make the toys. It's perhaps an opportunity for Hasbro to profit from that they are missing but that is not your argument; you are arguing that collectors "should" get a product as if they are entitled to get everything they want.
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04-23-2017, 12:53 PM | #63 |
Iron Grenadier
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Never said they were obligated to 4" collectors. Just stating that a 6" line will affect offerings in the 4" line, if history is any indication. Going from one adult market to a smaller adult market does nothing for the longevity of the brand and may piss off a good bit of what's left of the fandom. At least, going to a kid friendly line makes sense to reel in fans for the next 30-40 years.
They've been teasing a shift away from the ARAH backstory and characters for a while, but those teases usually include staying with the 4" format. There was no should in anything I said. You seem to be responding to what you think I meant; instead of, what I actually wrote. I just mentioned some of the consequences for the 4" collectors, which most of the members here are or were recently. Making Joe a 6" line doesn't happen in a vacuum. I have options with MGR, EF and Hell Screamerz. Just like 6" collectors had the option of getting SE and Storm Shadow in the Articulated Icons line. Plus most of my customs are real world takes on ARAH characters. You seem to be taking a discussion about toys way too seriously. There's nothing in this thread worth getting mad over. Quote:
At least the main characters, should get one 4" Black series figure.
I'm not taking this too seriously, I'm discussing simply what it is -- why can't Hasbro make a 6" line -- and am responding to counter arguments to that which are making irrelevant arguments to support their positions. |
04-23-2017, 12:55 PM | #64 |
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Who cares about possible worst case scenarios? Peg warmers exist in every toyline and it doesn't kill them. Sometimes a wave is hard to find. Oh well. I'm not sure why worrying about the availability of a future wave for a toyline that doesn't exist and hasn't even been rumored to exist is an interesting course of discussion.
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04-23-2017, 07:35 PM | #65 |
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04-23-2017, 08:10 PM | #66 |
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This list is awesome!!! Now throw in a few small vehicles like they did with Star Wars black ( speeder bikes, land speeder ) and some playsets ( Wompa, Taun Taun, Jabba with throne) I mean come on they did a freaking Tie fighter for cripes sake!!!! I would love to see the following vehicles
R.A.M Snake Armor V.A.M.P Trouble Bubble Claw glider To name a few. Quote:
I have commented on this many times, but I would love a 6" line of G.I. Joe figures. I love Marvel Legends, and The Black Series is my favorite line to collect. I still thoroughly enjoy the 3 3/4" scale of Star Wars and Joe figures and for vehicles that is by far the best scale. But the 6" lines are primarily about the characters with some vehicle compliments. When A Real American Hero was conceived it was a vehicle line with figure compliments. But we don't live in the 1980's anymore, and vehicles just don't sell like they used to. It is the G.I. Joe characters I love, the vehicles were cool, but the characters is what kept me with Joes. When Kreos came out I was all for them and bought a bunch, but I didn't stop collecting my 3 3/4" Joes. It would be no different for a 6" line of G.I. Joes. I would be all in for 3 or 4 waves a year.
Wave 1: 1. Duke 2. Snake Eyes 3. Scarlett 4.Cobra Commander 5. Storm Shadow 6. Cobra Trooper Wave 2: 1. Destro 2. Firefly 3. Cobra Officer 4. Flint 5. Roadblock 6. Gung-Ho Wave 3: 1. General Hawk 2. Beach Head 3. Stalker 4. Zartan 5. Baroness 6. Crimson Guard Wave 4: 1. Dr. Mindbender 2. Major Bludd 3. Battle Android Trooper 4. Lady Jaye 5. Low-Light 6. Shipwreck Wave 5: 1. Dusty 2. Spirit 3. Recondo 4. Serpentor 5. Zarana 6. Cobra Viper Wave 6: 1. Torch 2. Ripper 3. Buzzer 4. Snow Job 5. Doc 6. Breaker Wave 7: 1. Lt. Falcon 2. Outback 3. Tunnel Rat 4. Thrasher 5. Monkeywrench 6. Snow Serpent Wave 8: 1. Torpedo 2. Mutt & Junkyard 3. Main Frame 4. Road Pig 5. Cobra Eel 6. Night-Viper Wave 9: 1. Wild Bill 2. Dial-Tone 3. Life-Line 4. Scrap Iron 5. Alley-Viper 6. Tele-Viper Wave 10: 1. Rock & Roll 2. Leatherneck 3. Wet-Suit 4. Zandar 5. Gnawgahyde 6. Iron Grenadier There's the first 2 to 3 years. 😉 |
04-23-2017, 08:15 PM | #67 |
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Allusions have been made to this point, so this will be reiterating to some degree, but I think the major difference is moreso related to the fact that Star Wars and Marvel haven't faded off the face of the Earth. Marvel was never a truly 3.75 brand, and Star Wars has been transitioning for several years.
GI Joe is absent from toy shelves. Most of what is offered is done so out of nostalgia for collectors. They're not attempting to reach new people with the brand. I'm not sure they see viability in launching a 6" line for collectors who have always been exclusively 3.75, and with no steady stream of product, there's no real means of transitioning. |
04-23-2017, 08:22 PM | #68 |
Cobra Viper
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Meh...if they did a 6inch Joe line and made a Cobra Commander in any of his old uniforms, I'd grab them at the $20 range. I'm more into the character than the scale.
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04-23-2017, 09:12 PM | #69 |
Cobra Viper
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Because 6 inch Joes would be awful. The 3.75/4 inch scale is such an important part of GI Joe history and culture that doing 6 inch Joes would basically be blasphemy. I guess the same could be argued for Star Wars figs and they did a 6 inch line but lets be honest, Star Wars is WAY bigger in terms of sales and popularity than GI Joe ever was or will be. There is plenty of room to experiment with a juggernaut toy line like Star Wars but GI Joe is struggling to put out much of their base 4 inch product each year as it is. Simple answer is the GI Joe brand is not as big as most of us would like it to be and there for product will reflect that. IMO.
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04-23-2017, 09:29 PM | #70 |
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I think there can be both, but a strong movie tie in is needed for any type of re-launch of the line. Kids today don't relate to Gi Joe the way my generation did. They are coming around, but with no cartoon and no movie, Joe's are just too expensive and too not memorable for today's kids
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