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03-30-2017, 08:09 PM | #131 |
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I think I admitted needless change wasn't my cup of tea. Personally I didn't like the character change of Mainframe. Personally I could care less about the changes made to Salvo. It's all personal preference. I never knew much about that character anyways. Did he have a big part in the comic before?
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Below again, one of his statements: "SITTERSON: Exceptionally frequently and exceptionally heavily. Especially given the current geopolitical climate, with the rise of multiple ethnonationalist movements, the troubling militarization of the police and our own president-elect threatening to start a new nuclear arms race. This was something that was very much on my mind, and there were a couple decisions made as a direct result of it. The first is moving G.I. Joe away from being strictly an American team. The Decepticon Skywarp is our first non-American team member, but there are already more in the works – human ones from real world countries. The other change is our choice to have the Joes use lasers. Not only is it a nice nod to the Sunbow cartoon series (which is where Giannis and I first fell in love with Joe), but it avoids the more ugly aspects of the concept. To me, there’s something grim about putting heavy-duty, real-world weaponry in the hands of these heroic characters. Our Joes prefer to solve problems without brutality, and they’re talented and well-trained enough to manage it. I actually think that G.I. Joe can do a lot more good in another way, by embracing what has always made the series great, going all the way back to the cartoon series, where people of all genders, races, and ethnicities willingly came together to accomplish a goal." IDW G.I. Joe: Creators take us inside That's not a conspiracy when you have someone literally saying and doing these things. Quote:
I see a new writer making a new version of something loosely based on an old property. We know it is different. We knew it would be different. We know it isn't ARAH. Almost all the characters are different in some way. It's a totally different cannon. Do I like it as much? No. Am I mad about it that it is some conspiracy to turn me into or my thoughts into something I am afraid of? No. It's a comic book.
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03-30-2017, 08:25 PM | #132 |
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Again, move away from the SJW Pro/Con commentary.
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03-30-2017, 09:27 PM | #133 |
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Salvo was a very popular character hence the fuss over his FSS figure when the first images dropped. You don't see a problem with the unexplained and strange change?
Then why is Salvo race and gender swapped? Why was was it important to do that? Why did Stitterson, the person who did that purposely say he was going to have politics play heavy into his run? Below again, one of his statements: "SITTERSON: Exceptionally frequently and exceptionally heavily. Especially given the current geopolitical climate, with the rise of multiple ethnonationalist movements, the troubling militarization of the police and our own president-elect threatening to start a new nuclear arms race. This was something that was very much on my mind, and there were a couple decisions made as a direct result of it. The first is moving G.I. Joe away from being strictly an American team. The Decepticon Skywarp is our first non-American team member, but there are already more in the works – human ones from real world countries. The other change is our choice to have the Joes use lasers. Not only is it a nice nod to the Sunbow cartoon series (which is where Giannis and I first fell in love with Joe), but it avoids the more ugly aspects of the concept. To me, there’s something grim about putting heavy-duty, real-world weaponry in the hands of these heroic characters. Our Joes prefer to solve problems without brutality, and they’re talented and well-trained enough to manage it. I actually think that G.I. Joe can do a lot more good in another way, by embracing what has always made the series great, going all the way back to the cartoon series, where people of all genders, races, and ethnicities willingly came together to accomplish a goal." IDW G.I. Joe: Creators take us inside That's not a conspiracy when you have someone literally saying and doing these things. Yet you'll go out of the way to defend it, despite that you don't like it for the simple fact that someone complains about it being SJW. That said, I don't believe I am defending anything other than a new cannon doesn't have to be the same as the old cannon. I simply offered my opinion and try to look at things from a logical point of view. Gender swapping doesn't really bother me. Apparently it does bother you. I just came to add my 2 cents to the discussion. I have no interest in changing your mind or arguing about it.
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03-30-2017, 09:29 PM | #134 |
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Just saw this. As I posted prior, I have nothing more to add on the subject.
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03-30-2017, 09:53 PM | #135 |
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You either embrace changes or you don't.
Case in point. Starbuck. The original actor who played Starbuck publicly voiced his disapproval. Apollo. The original actor understood the changes in BSG, embraced them and wound up with a role on the show. A show that created a new audience for BSG. It was not my cup of tea but, then again I always had thought of Battlestar Galactica as the network's low budget attempt to capitalize on Star Wars. I still want an original pilot helmet. I did like that part of the show. IDW has been changing characters in its universe to shape their vision ever since it took over the franchise. Aubrey is not doing anything new here. How soon we forget cult leader Serpentor, vapor Destro and female Big Boa. Larry is still writing ARAH as it was written in the eighties. Buy those books, support what you want and it will thrive so you can keep at least some part of what you like alive. Depending on which fan you talk to, you will get a different opinion on both ROC and Retaliation. GIJOE is going to take a new path and I have a feeling it will come close to Revolution. Hollywood will of course put their own spin on things, because there is this ridiculous notion that comics and movies are two different animals. To me a comic is just a set of storyboards that you fill in the gaps on your own. Both tell stories. They just do it in a different manner. Give me a thinking, well written, character based series or trilogy that evokes an emotional response of any kind. The problem is that Hollywood seems to think of GIJOE as a popcorn movie, when they could do so much more with it. GIJOE is more than explosions, fist fights, and gunfights. The answer to combine these universes is sitting right in front of them. It is not Buzz Dixon, and it is not Larry Hama. It is Chris Ryall and Aubrey Sitterson.
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03-30-2017, 10:10 PM | #136 |
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I'm somewhat optimistic, now that the news has sunk in over time. At first I thought, great millennial GI JOEs Safe-space and Snowflake. If Hasbro goes with a realistic down to earth somewhat gritty movie, it might be cool. If they go that route. With the success of Rogue one, maybe we'll see a GI JOE war movie, imagine that. Either way it really can't be much worse than Rise of Cobra. Retaliation was cool, except for killing off alll the GI joes in the first half hour. The world does change, the geopolitical atmosphere is much different today than in the 80s. However there are parallels between Vietnam War and Afghanistan/Iraq wars.
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03-30-2017, 11:06 PM | #137 |
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and there lies the rub.
Worlds Without End is a great two parter. What type of movie would appeal the most? Do you go total sci fi and toss the Joes into an alternate universe? You could, maybe once you establish the characters in their "normal universe" Do you go military? Do you go adventure? Do you go comedy? Do you go romance? Do you go action? GIJOE has all of these elements and every fan likes one or the other but maybe not all of them. The point I was trying to make is, it is time to move past the Buzz Dixon Larry Hama era. Maybe do a Worlds Without End, where the Wraith took over Earth a long time ago and the Solstar Knights are coming, they find some human resistance members, and form a small force to take on an entire planet. The Autobots never crashed on Earth so the Wraith took over easily instead of went into hiding. First though, you have to introduce audiences to the Chris Ryall Rom and the Aubrey Sitterson GIJOE that works with MASK.
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03-30-2017, 11:16 PM | #138 |
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You probably were not around during the release of the 2 garbage G.I.Joe movies that Hasbro and Paramount put out. The first of which was a film about accelerator suites and Cobra Commander being the wimpy little brother of Baroness which director Stephen Sommers tried to call a G.I.Joe film, and ended up being a mess. And that doesn't even mention Marlon Wayans being in the film. This was Hasbro's last attempt at a 'progressive' global take on G.I.Joe.
Which led to a really wonderful dump of G.I.Joe figures in all black uniforms into every retail store that didn't sell and led to retail stores not wanting to take a chance on ordering G.I.Joe action figures anymore. Retaliation was much better, but I was kinda turned off by the scenes with RZA as Blind Master.
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03-30-2017, 11:36 PM | #139 |
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Anyone who does not think lasers are dangerous needs to talk to Grand Slam.
Goldner said in a conference call that you will not see a COD type of GIJOE video game. That in itself should tell you what to expect. The comics have always had a darker edge than the cartoon. Cripes Dawn just speared Zartan in the chest with Snake Eyes' sword last ish. You can go even further back to when the Baroness burned Snake Eyes' newly reconstructed face. Never say never though, now that Deadpool and Logan have succeeded where Punisher could not, Hollywood will take notice and if it makes money. Copy that formula. I don't want to see the tired old, GIJOE/Autobot vs Cobra/Decepticon story. With Cobra now defunct in the comics and the Autobots and Decepticons working together you have a great new dynamic. Skywarp becoming a GIJOE is one of the best things that ever happened in the GIJOE universe. He does not answer to Megatron or Prime, he answers to Scarlett and does so willingly. Now that is frickin' cool. Give me that kind of story in the next movie. A world turned upside down. Could it be time for the first Chinese Army character? Maybe. Why not, we did it with the Oktober Guard. Plus it would work well with the new biggest movie going audience, the Chinese. The whole world is in peril in the new comics. Zilong Qian - Transformers Wiki It's not that out there to have our own military cooperate with the forces of other countries. Likewise Joe has had Brits like Big Ben. Russians like Daina and Red Star. |
03-31-2017, 09:14 AM | #140 |
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I thought Rise of Cobra was decent, though I didn't care for the changes made to Cobra Commander, Duke, and Baroness. Also, instead of Wayans being Ripcord as comic relief I think having someone like Idris Elba playing Stalker would have been a huge help to the dynamic of the movie. Stalker and a Duke who were both already seasoned members of the Joe team being sent to investigate the Cobra attack on the convoy would have been a much better setup for me. I always liked how ARAH had some international team members and walked a fine line with its blend of sci-fi and even fantasy elements at time so all those aspects of the previous movie attempts worked for me, they just fell flat at characterizing established characters so completely differently. Sort of like someone making a Tarzan movie and having Greystroke be a bloke who got bitten by a radioactive chimpanzee at at the London zoo and gained the powers of vine swinging.
Retaliation seemed to be moving in the right direction, but Lady Jaye just didn't seem right, nor did Firefly popping off his mask and of course killing off Duke 5 minutes in . Still, it gave me hope that they were figuring things out and maybe the third flick would be when they hit their stride and made a really great Joe flick. Worst case scenario I look at it this way. I hate the Bay Transformers movies, but love that their success has allowed so many cool Generations figures to be made, the Transformers: Prime series to be made, the IDW comics, etc. I've made my peace with the fact I don't care for the Bayverse iterations of those characters, but a lot of people apparently do and that financial success has worked out to benefit me. So if nothing else, even if the new Joe flicks are horrid Bayverse style manglings of all things Joe and look nothing like the Joeverse we know, if they become financially successful maybe Hasbro will continue to throw ARAH fans a bone with a small but great toy line like Resolute or Pursuit of Cobra again alongside whatever they release for the movies as well as maybe a new animated series or Netflix series. In the end, even if Hasbro completely abandons all things ARAH, at least there are enough third party companies popping up now that toys to fill that void will continue to be made, even if not officially labeled as GI Joe. Hell, everyone else already makes cooler 3.75" vehicles now than Hasbro has for some time. We are at the point where even The Corps and True Heroes vehicles are made with better plastic and even have better paint apps than the last few Hasbro vehicles.
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