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03-22-2017, 01:13 AM | #31 |
Crimson Guard
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Nice article. but after 4 years I dont think Hasbro is serious about doing anything with the brand. It doesn't take this long for a toy company like Hasbro to figure out an approach.
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03-22-2017, 02:57 AM | #32 |
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I used to think that G.I.Joe was a property which should simply be copied as it was in the comic or even the cartoon in order to gain success, and while I still feel elements of the property should always be treated respectfully and without alteration, I have had a bit of a change of heart as to the cloning of the source material.
What brought this change of heart was a conversation I had with a couple of comic writers/GIJOE fanatics and a video I recently saw of Larry Hama and the 3D Joe guys talking about how the 3 and 3/4 Joe line blossomed out of the end of the 12 inch line (which itself had gone from Military to Hippie-esque adventurer until it ended from the increased oil/gas prices). The Real American Hero line was inspired from the success of the 3 and 3/4 Star Wars line, and benefited from the "Make America Great Again Ronald Regan Economic boom of the Early 80's- fueled by the Miracle on Ice success of the American Olympic Hockey Team's victory over the Soviets. This feel good pro America sentiment really helped boost our moral and even made a "Highly Trained Special Mission Force" something we all (including parents could invest in). Okay still with me. Now we fast forward to today. We have a very divided aka polarized politically argumentative view of our Nation. We are over saturated with politics; social injustice; terror threats (international as well as home grown) which has created a disenfranchised view of our nation for some. Now add in the competition with video games-which we all have known about for some time (how can they make successful Call of Duty and Halo games and yet Hasbro has never attempted to make a source property accurate video game based on GIJOE-that would be amazing!). Now the point that the comic writers brought up that really changed my view was this: How can a kid be excited to read or watch a cartoon about soldiers when their father; uncles; neighbors and other people in their community are coming home from real world combat with the real effects of war and combat. As they said it "it is tough to get excited about GIJOE when your dad has lost an arm or leg or didn't come home at all." This absolutely shocked me to the core. I hadn't before considered that playing war would be so unappealing to children but it made absolute sense. If GIJOE needs to change to be relevant; successful; and socially conscientious for this new generation, then I can accept that. I will always have that great time from the early 80's that I belong to and I will hope for a future where young children are untouched by the sorrows of combat and can feel comfortable with military toys. I think Renegades was the right direction for GI Joe ARAH in the 21st century. It removed the audience far enough away from our own reality so that it could tell the story without accidentally reminding us that the real world kind of sucks. It took itself seriously enough to maintain the necessary drama but not so seriously that it became a drag to watch. It's just too bad nobody was watching or buying toys. As far as other situations that would allow GI Joe to be palatable in the 21st Century, I think The Division video game has a pretty good story blue print that would work well for the next iteration of GI Joe & even for ARAH. The actual crisis for which the embedded agents activate in could & should be changed form a deadly pandemic. A techno-virus, alien invasion, or the worn out but useful Zombie Plague could provide the faceless enemies that make cities a no-man's land. Replace the Last Man Battalion with Cobra & Diversify the locations to include other cities, each with their own compliment of agents. There is room for a story with Snake Eyes that maybe looks a little too much like "Escape from New York", & The standard team of good guys versus Faceless hordes that the audience doesn't need to have empathy for. I guess ultimately, My point is that the uniquely outfitted & armed agents in The Division lends itself very well to an action figure line, It just needs more story & more substance to the characters. |
03-22-2017, 04:01 AM | #33 |
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03-22-2017, 09:26 AM | #34 |
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Get ready for transgender Joes...
(I totally did not read the previous comment when I typed this lol)
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03-22-2017, 09:39 AM | #35 |
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Any movement by Hasbro is a good thing. While it may not be as awesome as we want it keeps the line alive.
How about a GI Joe war movie? Star Wars did it with Rogue One. It doesn't have to be a over-reaching over the top story. Focus on one battle with some of the characters, instead of blowing up national monuments all over the world. I get that it's GI Joe and those are the over the top stories that we were raised on, but we've grown up and the new viewers never shared our vision from the 80's. Folks don't connect with the 80's formula for movies anymore. If SW can do it there's no reason a franchise built on soldiers can't do it. |
03-22-2017, 09:43 AM | #36 |
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Gay transformers and Joes fighting cobras from safe spaces....
That millennial enough for ya? Well its not too late to jump on the virtuvian Hacks train to avoid all this nonsense.
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03-22-2017, 10:02 AM | #37 |
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Reading this thread is like watching people interpret a Rorshach test.
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03-22-2017, 10:13 AM | #38 |
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They already tried "changing it up" for modern audiences in Rise of Cobra by ripping off Matrix and X-Men movie costumes and Iron Man battle suits. Didn't work.
Beauty and the Beast just proved that if you copy a popular cartoon from the 80s or 90s photo-realistically into live action, you will have a massive success. When you "change it up" you tick off the original fans and you bet on a version of your concept that has NO proven track record. Sounds like the next big mistake by the typical Hollywood morons. It's strange that G.I. Joe is one of the only properties still treated with this snobby attitude when Marvel, DC and Disney have all figured out that Hollywood "changing up" the original source material is not what anybody wants to see. Beauty and the Beast wasn't a success because they didn't change anything; in fact that has been the one constant complaint of the film. It was a success because Disney has made the property continuously relevant for 30 years, continuously building new fans and audiences on top of older ones, something Hasbro has not done. That is why the Joe films have failed. Not simply appealing to one segment of Joe fans isn't why the movies failed to connect with the rest, and much larger, audience. |
03-22-2017, 10:15 AM | #39 |
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I'm not sure about all of this. Politics will dictate for sure. Back in the cartoon it was nothing for G.I. Joe to just go anywhere in the world, use whatever resources necessary and head home. In today's world, if G.I. Joe went to Russia they would all be killed, detained, what have you. I know I'm taking this down a far too serious route, but I have a feeling of what we will see.
I am betting it goes to a more SHIELD type organization, world wide type stuff like in ROC. Where Breaker is Italian and they run around in tech suits. Gone are the days of an American military force globetrotting around chasing Cobra. As a HUGE fan of the old cartoon, I can't get excited for changing it up much. While I agree it needs to appeal to younger audiences, changing it up too much will just make a lot of people angry and disenfranchised. Either way, my main concentration is the figures, so whatever brings us more figures will be good, whether the movie sucks or not. Same thing is happening with MOTU. It's just hard to translate a cartoon from the 80's into a movie from the 20 teens. |
03-22-2017, 10:18 AM | #40 |
Crimson Guard
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A highly trained anti terrorism unit, made from the best of the best the military has to offer. Staged in an underground safe space bunker known as the pit. Talk about thier insecurities and how to stop Cobra without hurting his feelings.
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