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08-31-2015, 10:59 PM | #19861 |
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Wow, that martial arts info is interesting, but a bit over my head. Anyway, back to the earlier question about how to reconcile the Joes' backgrounds with history, I'd say that if you want the Joes to be a contemporary unit then the Vietnam stuff has to be retconned. Joes like SE, Stalker, Duke,etc. Could be Desert Storm / Battle of Mogadishu vets. I'd imagine that the average Joe is 25-30,again not counting some who are clearly older. Of course, if you keep your continuity in the 1980s, then there's no problem. I'm working on a story of sorts (just in my head right now) that uses new characters, some of whom are the sons and daughters of the original Joes. For example, Sean Collins took over as SE because the original one retired from active duty (not KIA in my world). Flint and Jaye have Marissa. Lifeline and Bree have a son who is a gun toting PJ. Falcon is a colonel and the CO. Just a few things I came up with to freshen things up a bit.
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09-01-2015, 03:22 AM | #19862 |
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Wow great info Blackrazor, thanks
In regards to Snake Eyes and his martial arts styles, here's some filecards Zulu did back in the day (miss his input in this thread) which highlight what kinds of martial arts he thought were appropriate for him Apologies to Zulu for showing his work without permission Last edited by Tyroc; 09-01-2015 at 09:37 AM.. |
09-01-2015, 07:06 PM | #19863 |
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Those are some amazing filecards. I wish I had the knowledge to create ones like that.
Okay so I am reading "Kill Bin Laden" and of course I am hugely interested in the structure of Delta (as per our previous conversations). In the book there seems to be three Team Leaders in an assault Troop. I think we had a Delta Assault Troop broken down into: Troop Commander Troop Sergeant Troop Communicator Troop Medic 12 other Troopers divided into two Teams of six. However in Dalton's book he mentions three Assault Team Leaders and each team had five assaulters on them. Unless one of the other Assault Teams came from the other Assault Troop in the Squadron. Anyone have any ideas? I understand a lot of what we "know" about Delta is pure speculation but wanted to get others opinions on it. |
09-01-2015, 07:40 PM | #19864 |
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Wow, that martial arts info is interesting, but a bit over my head. Anyway, back to the earlier question about how to reconcile the Joes' backgrounds with history, I'd say that if you want the Joes to be a contemporary unit then the Vietnam stuff has to be retconned. Joes like SE, Stalker, Duke,etc. Could be Desert Storm / Battle of Mogadishu vets. I'd imagine that the average Joe is 25-30,again not counting some who are clearly older. Of course, if you keep your continuity in the 1980s, then there's no problem. I'm working on a story of sorts (just in my head right now) that uses new characters, some of whom are the sons and daughters of the original Joes. For example, Sean Collins took over as SE because the original one retired from active duty (not KIA in my world). Flint and Jaye have Marissa. Lifeline and Bree have a son who is a gun toting PJ. Falcon is a colonel and the CO. Just a few things I came up with to freshen things up a bit.
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09-01-2015, 07:58 PM | #19865 |
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Those are some amazing filecards. I wish I had the knowledge to create ones like that.
Okay so I am reading "Kill Bin Laden" and of course I am hugely interested in the structure of Delta (as per our previous conversations). In the book there seems to be three Team Leaders in an assault Troop. I think we had a Delta Assault Troop broken down into: Troop Commander Troop Sergeant Troop Communicator Troop Medic 12 other Troopers divided into two Teams of six. However in Dalton's book he mentions three Assault Team Leaders and each team had five assaulters on them. Unless one of the other Assault Teams came from the other Assault Troop in the Squadron. Anyone have any ideas? I understand a lot of what we "know" about Delta is pure speculation but wanted to get others opinions on it. I imagine that they'd train to operate in teams as small as four, so that leaves room for three team leaders of the 12 assaulters and the troop commander could act as a fourth team leader. Last edited by Tanksmasher; 09-01-2015 at 08:05 PM.. |
09-01-2015, 08:28 PM | #19866 |
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The organization probably revolves around Delta's primary function, which is to take down rooms. When you look at VBSS teams, SWAT teams, SRT, and similar units, the typical assault team is composed of six members. Although two can clear a small room and four is usually the bare minimum, six allows the team to clear a room quickly, cuff any prisoners, and stack up for the next. Sometimes larger stacks are used to clear larger structures quickly. If there are three team leaders per troop, keep in mind that the troop commander or sergeant could act as a team leader. However, a troop of 16 allows a lot of flexibility. Three teams of four or two teams of six could hit a building from different entry points, and the HQ is another team of four for backup. In Gothic Serpent, the main assault had four MH-6 Little Birds each carrying a team of four. One team hit the roof of the target building. There were 24 more operators who fast-roped from two other Black Hawks.
I imagine that they'd train to operate in teams as small as four, so that leaves room for three team leaders of the 12 assaulters and the troop commander could act as a fourth team leader. Very good points. I originally structured my Joe Troops to have the Troop Commander and Troop Sergeant each lead a four man Patrol with two additional Team Leaders overseeing their own four man Patrols (16 total troops). However after reading info that you and others posted it made more sense to have a four-man HQ element and two 6-man teams for CQB scenarios. Six man patrols are also used for recon as well. Apparently the current Long Range Surveillance Detachments, Force Recon teams and Radio Reconnaissance Teams all have six members each. I believe it is because of all the equipment they need to carry and the time that would potentially be spent in the field observing their target. I am guessing four man patrols are good for recon elements that may not be deployed for very long. I believe SEAL's deploy as four-man recon units? I am more and more leaning towards my Joes being organized like Delta, however, there are barely enough snipers on the Joe team to barely fill one 16-man recce Troop, let alone the three I had envisioned (one for each Squadron). |
09-01-2015, 09:37 PM | #19867 |
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The sniper/recon troop wouldn't necessarily need to consist of all snipers, though that would be ideal. A mix of sniper and recon Joes could easily fill one troop. A 16-member unit works well here too because you can have the HQ and then two 6-man recon teams (traditional) or three 4-man recon teams, which is sometimes used by Special Forces, early Ranger Recon Teams, and SEAL Special Recon Teams.
Off the top of my head, there several candidates: Low-Light Hollow Point Sidetrack Cross Hair Spirit Ambush Recoil Sneak Peek Stalker Recondo Starduster Snake Eyes ...and more... |
09-01-2015, 09:43 PM | #19868 |
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How many Snipers do they need?
Like the First Battle of Mogadishu I know there were more than just Shughart and Gordon. But I don't know how they typically deploy there snipers. Lowlight, Crosshairs, Mouse, Recondo (per TF Convention), Ballistic, Long Range, Ambush, Barrel-Roll, Hollow-Point, Spirit maybe?
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09-01-2015, 09:47 PM | #19869 |
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heres my sniper/recon team
Recoil Tripwire Spirit Sneak Peek Scout Low-Light SSgt. Vincent G. MacBride Long Range II Cross Hair Hollow Point Sightline |
09-01-2015, 10:06 PM | #19870 |
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The sniper/recon troop wouldn't necessarily need to consist of all snipers, though that would be ideal. A mix of sniper and recon Joes could easily fill one troop. A 16-member unit works well here too because you can have the HQ and then two 6-man recon teams (traditional) or three 4-man recon teams, which is sometimes used by Special Forces, early Ranger Recon Teams, and SEAL Special Recon Teams.
Off the top of my head, there several candidates: Low-Light Hollow Point Sidetrack Cross Hair Spirit Ambush Recoil Sneak Peek Stalker Recondo Starduster Snake Eyes ...and more... The sniper Joes I came up with are: Claymore (Troop Commander) Snow Job Spirit Low-Light Ambush Windchill Ballistic Hollow Point Crosshair Barrel Roll Long Range v2 Mouse Quote:
How many Snipers do they need?
Like the First Battle of Mogadishu I know there were more than just Shughart and Gordon. But I don't know how they typically deploy there snipers. Lowlight, Crosshairs, Mouse, Recondo (per TF Convention), Ballistic, Long Range, Ambush, Barrel-Roll, Hollow-Point, Spirit maybe? |
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