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View Poll Results: When Will The Bat Be Broken? | |||
Towards the Beginning of the Movie? | 4 | 10.00% | |
Towards the Middle of the Movie? | 23 | 57.50% | |
At the End? | 3 | 7.50% | |
Bane won't break Batman's Back? | 10 | 25.00% | |
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll |
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03-30-2015, 12:09 PM | #421 |
Gaelic Hardcase
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Nostalgic freak, get your tint roseglasses off and see that Burton's films are outdated and poor today. They weren't Batman films, they were Tim Burton films.
No Nolan's Batman films, i see as Batman films all the way as they are based on Danny O'Neal, Alan Moore, Frank Miller, Grant Morrison and Joseph Leob, my favorite versions. Plus Ledger is the definitive live action Joker as he makes Jack look like a birthday clown at a kid's party and is the right age for the Joker as Joker is suppose to be 32 years old. Burton is style over substance, Nolan is substance you Burtonite. I love debating with Burtonites. I have no kind of nostalgic love or feeling for Burton's films. You say Joker is supposed to be 32....ok fair enough. I say he is supposed to have dyed skin....not face paint. Also your not debating a thing here? why? You have no respect for other opinions. now go away and hump somebody else's leg. I would be a lot harsher but I like it here. Last edited by JokerFC; 03-30-2015 at 12:17 PM.. |
03-30-2015, 12:31 PM | #422 |
Iron Grenadier
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Northeast Ohio
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The Burton films were horrible, they were more like live action cartoons.
What I liked about the Nolan films, was the fact that they were almost realistic, and there wasn't too much that couldn't actually take place in modern life. |
03-31-2015, 01:41 AM | #423 |
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I love how Nolan captured O'Neil's vision of Gotham on film all the way. Nolan did not ignored the source material, he honored Miller and O'Neil's vision as he made Batman Begins as Man Who Falls/Batman Year One in one film, The Dark Knight as a cross between Killing Joke with Long Halloween and Arkham Asylum and TDK Rises was a mix of No Man's Land, The Dark Knight Returns and Knightfall as he combined those sources and made his own. Nolan is THE definitive live-action Batman films. |
03-31-2015, 01:35 PM | #424 |
Iron Grenadier
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Do you agree Nolan's version of Batman is Frank Miller, Alan Moore. Joseph Leob, Grant Morrison and Denny O'Neal's vision on film?
I love how Nolan captured O'Neil's vision of Gotham on film all the way. Nolan did not ignored the source material, he honored Miller and O'Neil's vision as he made Batman Begins as Man Who Falls/Batman Year One in one film, The Dark Knight as a cross between Killing Joke with Long Halloween and Arkham Asylum and TDK Rises was a mix of No Man's Land, The Dark Knight Returns and Knightfall as he combined those sources and made his own. Nolan is THE definitive live-action Batman films. |
03-31-2015, 02:21 PM | #425 |
Crimson Nerd
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Virginia
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There will NEVER be a "definitive" live-action Batman film, series of films, television show, or anything else, because Batman is a character with such a long and varied history that it would be impossible to encompass in even a series of films without getting seriously weird and jarringly contradictory.
There are many different eras and interpretations of Batman, and some people favor certain ones over others. Heck, there are quite a few people for which Adam West and Burt Ward will always be "The" Batman and Robin to them. Nolan borrowed many story beats from the comics, but he was not particularly true to the characters within those stories. Batman wasn't ever really portrayed as "the world's greatest detective." Alfred walked out on Bruce. Talia had no conflicting loyalties. Ra's al Ghul wasn't some hundreds-of-years-old semi-immortal. Bane was a member of the League of Assass-er...Shadows from the beginning and wasn't a drug addict. The Joker...wasn't really based on any interpretation of that character that had ever seen print. Lucius Fox was more Batman's "helper" than Alfred was. They made up a love interest for Bruce (Rachel Dawes) virtually whole cloth. None of this makes Nolan's bat-films bad movies. In fact they are, on the whole, excellent-to-truly-great movies. But pretending like they were super-accurate to the source material is delusional if one has any familiarity with that source material at all. They are a very valid and interesting interpretation of Batman that were very well done, but only ONE interpretation...there are, and will continue to be many more, and yes, some people may like those others better than Nolan's trilogy, and they're not wrong for it. Personally, I view Nolan's trilogy in a sort of metatextual light: The Nolan trilogy is to me about as close to a "real world" Batman as we'll get and still be "Batman." If Myths and Legends have a basis in truth, I would view the Nolan Bat-Films as the "true story of Batman" and the more "comic-booky" stories and characters we get in the other sources as the "Mythological Versions" that sprang from that true story, if that makes sense? |
03-31-2015, 06:48 PM | #426 |
o-ring or nothing
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: In the 1980's
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Yes, if the Nolan films were any more realistic, they would have had to drop the bat influence and just have him run around as a vigilante in a ski mask like he started out with. Because nobody was ever as terrified of bats as Bruce Wayne was.
The whole Batman mystique is a little less impressive to younger audiences now I think, just because of the current technology. We all have Batcomputers on our phones, where that used to be the kind of thing that really set him apart. He doesn't need a cave now so much as he just needs a CSI lab. But anyway, as for the movies, I've always said that I prefer to see a great director take certain threads from the comics and weave their own story, and that's what Burton and Nolan have both done. I'd much rather see that than a direct adaptation taken right from the comics. I thought Burton got way too Burton-y with Returns, and then Schumacher just kept digging the hole even deeper. Though he's said that the studio wanted a lighter tone, so he had some pressure there. Nolan just made the films that he wanted to make. And I'm glad he did, because they're exactly what I wanted to see. Now I want to see what Zach Snyder does with the character. We're probably going to be seeing Batman on the big screen at least two times a decade for the foreseeable future, so if you don't like what they're doing, just wait. Comic movies always get thrown into rivalries with each other. If it's not DC vs Marvel, it's this Batman vs that Batman. One other thing though, wasn't there like a 3 years or so stretch where Alfred had left Bruce in the 90s? I wasn't buying the books then, but I vaguely remember keeping up on them by reading Wizard. I miss Wizard. |
04-01-2015, 02:08 PM | #427 |
Gaelic Hardcase
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I miss Wizard and Toyfare too man.....particularly twisted Toyfare Theatre!!
2 great posts from Ford and Jmacq1....lads who seemingly understand that you don't have to be a "nostalgia freak" to enjoy non Nolan stuff. hell I watched the 60s batman movie the other day on Netflix and got down my 60s 6" figs and Batmobile and set them up on my coffee table. I had a right craic.....why? because I LOVE Batman!! |
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