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03-19-2011, 12:07 AM | #15431 |
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Larry Hama addressed this in one of the Postbox: The Pit letter columns in the Marvel GI Joe comic book from back in the day.
Too bad the IDW reprints don't reproduce the letter columns... IIRC, a reader sent him a letter asking about the GI Joe chain of command, and I think Hama listed the XO as either Wild Bill or Torpedo, the two most senior Joes in terms of pay-grade after Hawk... don't forget that Wild Bill and Torpedo were originally ranked as W-4s, which purely in terms of experience, places them a significant level above Ace or Doc, who were both captains. A warrant officer, on average, has 23.8(!) years of service by the time he/she makes it to W-4 (according to a study conducted by the Navy's CWO Time-in-Grade Committee), whereas an Academy or ROTC-produced Army captain or navy lieutenant probably has anywhere between five to twelve years time in service on average. I know it's somewhat unusual for a warrant officer (even one ranked as high as these two guys) to be put in a lineal command position, but I think it makes sense with a special unit like GI Joe, considering that SF Groups and SEAL Teams do place their WOs (W-2s and above) in lineal command positions instead of O-2s (Army first lieutenants and Navy lieutenants, junior grade). This was years ago though, so I'm probably misremembering, and this was before the first appearance of Keel-Haul (in the comics), before Hawk got bumped up to general, and definitely before the introduction of characters like Slipstream and Falcon... the comic book might have been from late 1984 or 1985 or thereabouts. Past a certain point though, I think any pretense of a strict and "official" chain of command pretty much fell away, between Hasbro's introduction of all sorts of characters and what I feel was Hama's declining interest in the property post-1990. Interesting. I forget about those years when I had only 30 figures. Wild Bill was always important to me. I was never one to read the PIT letters but I think I still have never read much of 13-23, perhaps some of the best years. From much of what you've shown us Z, I've bumped many a character to Warrant Officer, and use the Warrants and Lts to fill all the roles as Unit XOs. (I have less Lts than Captains.) [QUOTE=blackrazor1;2382385]I'm surprised no one is making him POC Mainframe. [QUOTE] Actually this is one of the reasons I might switch to Rapid-Fire. He looks to much like an older Mainframe than an E-4 HardDrive. But I have a mainframe, and the Club one I'm turning into Sparks. Somehow.
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03-19-2011, 12:25 AM | #15432 |
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As for issues 13-23 of the original Marvel comic book... I thought outside of the Snake-Eyes/Storm-Shadow-centric issues, those were a let down (writing and art-wise) from the first 10 issues. It seemed like issues 11-20 were a patch where Hama wasn't really sure where he was going to take the property (I don't think he or the editorial team expected the book to last past the first dozen issues or so), the pacing was really off (the Kwinn/Dr. Venom/Scarface story just kept dragging on and on and on). My personal favourite stretch of the Marvel Joe comics was the whole 28 issue run of GI Joe: Special Missions and in the regular GI Joe series, probably issue 39 (featuring Stalker and Recondo fighting alongside the Tucaros to save Dr. Burkhart) to issue 91 (Storm-Shadow finally ending -- at the time -- the tragic Arashikage history by killing the remnants of his former clan and Zartan finding peace as the "new" Blind Master). Had Hama quit the book or if it were somehow canceled at that point, I would have been perfectly happy with where the characters were at the time. Last edited by zuludelta; 03-19-2011 at 12:30 AM.. |
03-19-2011, 04:33 AM | #15433 |
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Yeah 91-100 was not my favorite. Some of the ones during the 70-80 (Battle-Force 2000 and the sale of Terror-dromes) sort of bored me as well.
Issue 11 is my favorite from pure nostalgia stand-point. The Civil-War was my favorite Arc followed then by the Return of Cobra Commander through Trucial Abysmia. I kind of like the issued that showcased the new figures/Characters as there were always a few of those gratuitous advertising issues. Like the introduction of Zartan\Firefly\Wild Weasel\Strom Shadow. But far and away Special Missions we just plain awesome.
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03-19-2011, 04:39 AM | #15434 |
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what weapon system would cross hair most likely use? |
03-19-2011, 05:14 AM | #15435 |
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If he was part of Sunbow ARAH cartoons, the weapons system he would use is the XMLR-3A laser rifle.
Sorry, I could not resist. It was odd that Lowlight would be with one shooting a laser.
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03-19-2011, 08:12 AM | #15436 |
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03-19-2011, 11:05 AM | #15437 |
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Special Missions were the best Joe stories. I'd say between 50-100 or so were my favorites of the run.
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03-20-2011, 12:26 AM | #15438 |
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Agreed, Special Missions kicked ass!
As an aside, I saw Battle Los Angeles last night, It was pretty cool. Wish they had made toys in Joe scale. Would have loved some new Marine figs |
03-20-2011, 12:29 AM | #15439 |
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In the Marvel run he was a Leiutenant driving a desk state-side during Vietnam.
In "G.I.Joe: Declassified," Hawk was a Light Colonel working at UN refugee camp in Borovia. Which seemed like it was not too long before the creation of the Joe team. Granted, "desk-driving leiutenant" could have been tean years before "light Colonel" seeing how there was about ten years between Vietnam and the creation of the Joe team.
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03-20-2011, 12:40 AM | #15440 |
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