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01-11-2011, 12:05 PM | #14661 |
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I don't think we ever see them before the convention. Then it's like if we're lucky enough someone takes a picture of the glossy filecard with the flash on so we can barely read it. Then 2 weeks later someone puts em up somewhere, Quote:
Hey guys, I'm still working on my Joe SEAL squad and I've hit a little bump. Depth Charge is listed as a UDT guy, not a SEAL. However, every reference I've been able to find says that the UDT's were decommissioned in 1983 and all of the remaining frogmen were merged into the SEAL Teams or otherwise reassigned at that time. So by the time Depth Charge's character was created, there was no such thing as a UDT anymore. My thinking is that this must be an error on the filecard and Depth Charge is actually a SEAL. Opinions?
Oh BTW, sorry if this has already been hashed out. I tried searching the thread for the term UDT and got no results. and you bring up a good point because I don't ever remember discussing this one. It's staring us in the face. I always use him as a SEAL. I took an extra ROC Shipwreck and used the extra ROC Zartan/Pit Trooper head. I'm wondering why they didn't just make him a SEAL. http://www.yojoe.com/filecard/03/depthcharge.shtml Then again what is Deep-Six? He's listed as UDT on at least one filecard. http://www.yojoe.com/filecard/89/deepsix2.shtml
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01-11-2011, 12:23 PM | #14662 |
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Interesting. Surprised this has never come up before.
I don't think Depth Charge and Deep Six should be SEaLs. For some reason neither one strikes me as a SEaL. I think they are Navy Divers United States Navy Diver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The operational parameters include: "Navy Divers serve at several diving platform types including; Navy Expeditionary Combat Command (NECC), Navy Special Operations/Special Warfare commands, Marine Corps dive teams, rescue/salvage and repair diving detachments, saturation diving commands and diving research/development to name a few. Some of the mission areas of the Navy Diver include; deep sea underwater salvage, harbor clearance operations, in-water ship/submarine repair, demolition operations, submarine rescue, SEAL Delivery Vehicle deployment/recovery, saturation diving, experimental diving, underwater construction/welding as well as serving as diving technical experts at SEAL/Marine Corps/and United States Navy EOD diving commands." They are part of the Navy's Special Operations.
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01-11-2011, 04:27 PM | #14663 |
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Wow, I feel honored to have actually contributed something to this thread that hasn't been discussed before!
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I always use him as a SEAL. I took an extra ROC Shipwreck and used the extra ROC Zartan/Pit Trooper head. I'm wondering why they didn't just make him a SEAL.
YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Depth Charge Then again what is Deep-Six? He's listed as UDT on at least one filecard. YOJOE.COM | Filecard Gallery - Deep Six Quote:
Interesting. Surprised this has never come up before.
I don't think Depth Charge and Deep Six should be SEaLs. For some reason neither one strikes me as a SEaL. I think they are Navy Divers United States Navy Diver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The operational parameters include: "Navy Divers serve at several diving platform types including; Navy Expeditionary Combat Command (NECC), Navy Special Operations/Special Warfare commands, Marine Corps dive teams, rescue/salvage and repair diving detachments, saturation diving commands and diving research/development to name a few. Some of the mission areas of the Navy Diver include; deep sea underwater salvage, harbor clearance operations, in-water ship/submarine repair, demolition operations, submarine rescue, SEAL Delivery Vehicle deployment/recovery, saturation diving, experimental diving, underwater construction/welding as well as serving as diving technical experts at SEAL/Marine Corps/and United States Navy EOD diving commands." They are part of the Navy's Special Operations. |
01-11-2011, 05:37 PM | #14664 |
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watching the Military Channel the other day, I had some random thoughts pop into my head about Stalker and his Green Beret status. And while the file cards give no definitive answer, some points to consider:
1) He is often shown wearing a green beret. (And when he isn't, he is wearing a "special forces thermal cap" 2) He is listed as proficient with the M3A1 and M32--often associated with SOG and GB in Vietnam. 3) His first figure (and others) show him in an "unofficial" camouflage pattern, which may have been an attempt to depict the tiger-stripe came used by SF in Nam. Or it could be an indication of wearing a "third party" pattern/uniform for deniability, another common SF practice. *Interestingly, Stalker, Scarlett and Snake Eyes are the only original Joes not in "uniform." Makes me wonder why. Stalker is also the only "beret" on the team at that time. Technically, (barring SE) the only "Special" trained (Ranger or SF) at the formation of the Joes. Of all the figures, his seems the most "taken out of a Green Berets in Vietnam history book." if you know what I mean. 4) He is originally equip with a Finnish (?) M-32 SMG, a non-American weapons, following the plausible deniability theory (like the uniform). 5) P/SMS: Infantry and Medic/Interpreter. A very interesting combo, that follows Special Forces multi-discipline training policy/strategy. I don't know what to make of his "EOD" Primary days, but even so, the theory stands. He also has Intelligence School training according to most cards. Conclusion: I think Stalker was originally based on a Green Beret illustration or historic photo and was intended to be a GB, but because the Joe teams was suppose to be "Delta Force," the downplayed it so as not to confuse the kids, or to have silly fanboy questions asked like "Why are none of the other Joes GBs?" etc. For my universe, Joes are a Delta like unit, with a separate selection and training process. That's why you can have GBs, SEaLs and former Delta operators join. Due to the classified nature and the need for unit security, other non-SO trained people are accepted to fill various duties. Stalker is an old-school GB/SOG/MACV operator. (I am old enough remember when the Joes' history in Nam was feasible and despite the discontinuity, I still kind of play by it.) |
01-11-2011, 06:19 PM | #14665 |
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Wow, I feel honored to have actually contributed something to this thread that hasn't been discussed before!
This is what I think, as well. Look closer, LC - his Primary is listed as Master Diver, which is one of the ratings listed under Navy Diver. His Secondary is Underwater Demolitions Instructor (not UDT), which also fits with the Navy Diver job description because they are often used to teach underwater demolitions to SEALs and Recon Marines (see Troy's quote below). I'm not sure how it is that I always mistook Deep-Six for a SEAL. I guess I just figured he was a SEAL that specialized in deeper dives - LOL. I agree that it makes more sense for him to be used as a Navy Diver. Because I held the wrong idea for 25+ years, I don't know if my mind will ever properly disassociate him from the other SEALs on the team, but it would actually fit with his reputation as a loner. He'll be included in my diorama, but he'll be stand-offish from the rest of the group. On the other hand, I think Depth Charge should be added in with the other SEALs. When you read his filecard, the first sentence about hydrographic reconnaissance just screams "SEAL" to me, as do the last two sentences.
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01-11-2011, 06:22 PM | #14666 |
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Maybe, but then most people probably really don't understand the difference in a SEaL and a Diver.
It's Hasbro's fault, always giving us SEaLs equipped just as divers.
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01-11-2011, 06:54 PM | #14667 |
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True, no mas in mah house though,all my rubber suit guys are getting put in the Coast Guard fodder bin for rescue swimmers and Wetsuit and the others are getting geared up for some land based warfare.
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01-11-2011, 11:51 PM | #14668 |
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In Depth Charge's case, my guess is that Hasbro "goofed" and used an older term for him. I would hope that it wasn't a Larry Hama filecard . For rescue swimmer duties, I use Lifeline, based partially on the cartoon and partially from his file. Stalker is such an enigma, in a way. I tend to agree that he was probably the team's first unofficial "Green Beret."
I also have a question for those of you who know a bit more about the military than I do. What kinds of missions do Rangers actually undertake? I know they are described as "elite light infantry" , but do they participate in 'black" ops like Delta? |
01-12-2011, 01:23 AM | #14669 |
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In Depth Charge's case, my guess is that Hasbro "goofed" and used an older term for him. I would hope that it wasn't a Larry Hama filecard . For rescue swimmer duties, I use Lifeline, based partially on the cartoon and partially from his file. Stalker is such an enigma, in a way. I tend to agree that he was probably the team's first unofficial "Green Beret."
I also have a question for those of you who know a bit more about the military than I do. What kinds of missions do Rangers actually undertake? I know they are described as "elite light infantry" , but do they participate in 'black" ops like Delta?
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Recognizing that I volunteered as a Ranger, fully knowing the hazards of my chosen profession, I will always endeavor to uphold the Prestige, honor, and high espirit de corps of the Rangers. Acknowleding the fact that a Ranger is a more elite soldier who arrives at the cutting edge of battle by land, sea, or air, I accept the fact that as a Ranger my country expects me to move further, faster, and fight harder than any other soldier. Never shall I fail my comrades I will always keep myself mentally alert, physically strong, and morally straight and I will shoulder more than my share of the task whatever it may be, one hundered percent and then some. Gallantly will I show the world that I am a specially selected and well trained soldier. My courtesy to superior officers, neatness of dress, and care of equipment shall set the example for others to follow. Energetically will I meet the enemies of my country. I shall defeat them on the field of battle for I am better trained and will fight with all my might. Surrender is not a Ranger word. I will never leave a fallen comrade to fall into the hands of the enemy and under no circumstances will I ever embarrass my country. Readily will I display the intestinal fortitude required to fight on to the Ranger objective and complete the mission, though I be the lone survivor.
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