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12-19-2010, 10:41 AM | #751 |
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This basically doesn't make any sense - you are saying, in retrospect, Robotech is terrible because every Japanese crafted animation AFTER it followed its formula? Sometimes, you just have to respect the first (although, I will say, Robotech wasn't the first - kind of in the middle - but was some of the first manga to hit the States that was very popular. I think Starblazers was the first.). TF was copied many, many times, but that doesn't make it bad. If you didn't like the pacing, that is strange because your criticism of Robotech is basically the same as mine of Renegades - except you acknowledge it moved the story along, where I am saying we haven't seen yet how it will.
I respect that you disagree, and obviously LOVE Renegades. My feeling is that it is straying. I'm not saying the show sucks or anything like that. Especially for kids, you do need some connecting threads. Imagine hearing a speech that, without a real segue, changes subjects, and then comes back to the original point with only a slight, "I'll come back to this later." Kids - even more than adults - need this kind of structure. It is obvious that the story with the Arashikage isn't over. I would have personally preferred developing the current cast instead of adding new characters every week, and trying to explain them. That appears to be the direction they are going. If so, this seems very Sunbow - with cameos of Joes and Cobras to justify having them in the toy line. With Robotech, it was different. There were whole episodes with almost nothing but exposition. Whole episodes where almost NOTHING happened. Tons of side trips, and sidebars taken. So you're saying it's okay for Robotech, but not Renegades. That doesn't even make sense. Robotech wasn't that well written, and the dialogue was at times almost as bad as Sunbow. Just stupidity. When it comes to exposition, I'm definitely not against it. Oddly, I LOVE the IDW Joe-verse. When reading I love a slow build and exposition. However, to me, a moving media, needs to move. This episode of Renegades did tons of moving, it moved our character's along, both figuratively, and literally. SE thought he knew a peaceful place for them to rest, and all they found was someone else breathing down their neck. I'd wage next episode Duke finds out "You really CAN'T go home again.". Not only does this keep our Renegades on the road, it also adds to their feeling of being alone, them against the world, which will help them bond together as they have nowhere else to turn. THAT right there, is moving the story along. As much as this story is about them clearing their names, it's also about becoming a unit. Trusting each other with their lives. The types of bonds that can only be formed in combat or other times of life threatening crisis. You want them to "get on with it", but they are. If the Joes clear their names before those bonds are formed then this whole story is moot. They'd clear their names and move on.
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12-19-2010, 12:01 PM | #752 |
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That's absolutely correct trooper. They are doing a great job of pacing this story. I mean its only been 5 episodes and already you can sense the team forming. These last two episodes were hardly a stand alone story. I mean it followed the team moving asking while introducing an extremely important character. If you don't care for the show its one thing but to say its written bad.no way. Loving it.
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12-19-2010, 01:47 PM | #753 |
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I thnk the problem is too many characters are stuck in dull roles.
Duke is sort of the in-team foil. Snake Eyes is the over exposed annoying ninja hero. Tunnel Rat gets to be the narrator. Roadblock is relegated to being the driver. Too much Snake Eyes, not enough GIJoe. |
12-19-2010, 02:21 PM | #754 |
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I don't know. I don't think we're making the same argument at all. ALOT happened in this episode. However, they accomplished nothing in terms of goal you original brought up. Clearing their names.
With Robotech, it was different. There were whole episodes with almost nothing but exposition. Whole episodes where almost NOTHING happened. Tons of side trips, and sidebars taken. So you're saying it's okay for Robotech, but not Renegades. That doesn't even make sense. Robotech wasn't that well written, and the dialogue was at times almost as bad as Sunbow. Just stupidity. When it comes to exposition, I'm definitely not against it. Oddly, I LOVE the IDW Joe-verse. When reading I love a slow build and exposition. However, to me, a moving media, needs to move. This episode of Renegades did tons of moving, it moved our character's along, both figuratively, and literally. SE thought he knew a peaceful place for them to rest, and all they found was someone else breathing down their neck. I'd wage next episode Duke finds out "You really CAN'T go home again.". Not only does this keep our Renegades on the road, it also adds to their feeling of being alone, them against the world, which will help them bond together as they have nowhere else to turn. THAT right there, is moving the story along. As much as this story is about them clearing their names, it's also about becoming a unit. Trusting each other with their lives. The types of bonds that can only be formed in combat or other times of life threatening crisis. You want them to "get on with it", but they are. If the Joes clear their names before those bonds are formed then this whole story is moot. They'd clear their names and move on. I mean, look at what they accomplished in episodes four and five. 1) We knew SE and Scarlett have some kind of chemistry and a relationship of some kind. We knew this in episode 1. 2) We learn Roadblock was a mechanic. We knew this in episode 1. 3) Before episode 4 started, there was some mild trust issues between the military guys and SE. At the end of 5, there is tension between Scarlett and SE - so the tension has only shifted. 4) They introduced two new characters that departed that departed, and apparently will be gone for several episodes. My point is this: it seems like - and I could and may very well might be wrong - that these two episodes could be removed from the story line, inserted at a point further along, and it wouldn't change the continuity at all. In fact, it will be interesting if there is a mention of this in episode 6. Time will tell. This may be a pivotal moment. I'm sure the writers will come back with SS and Jinx - but I wonder if this story couldn't have come later in the journey.
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12-19-2010, 02:22 PM | #755 |
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I personally don't like it. I'm not saying it's bad, but it's just not my cup of tea
I will say that Tunnel Rat is hilarious. He kept me laughing through the entire first episode, and then when I finally saw the Arashikage 2 part, he was still funny. But the overall storyline is mediocre, but it does draw the new fans into the over-all fold As for the Robotech statement, the original 3 series that became Robotech were too short to be added in to an American television timeslot, but when they put all 3 together it became the longest series to that date, so the countless episodes where "nothing happens" is rendered moot. I see it as more like character adaptation and advancement, but I think they could have done just as good without adding the 2nd generation (the middle storyline with Dana Sterling) But that's just cause Max and Lancer were my two favorite characters
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12-19-2010, 04:14 PM | #756 |
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Clearly you two love this show, and have drank the kool-aid. Please understand, you are posting on a thread that is entitled "not liking renegades so far." I'm saying that at 3 episodes to take this detour seems odd. Why not grow out of crisis with Cobra? Isn't that what the show is about? Next week looks more in line with the first 3 episodes, which is why this feels like a detour not a stepping stone.
I mean, look at what they accomplished in episodes four and five. 1) We knew SE and Scarlett have some kind of chemistry and a relationship of some kind. We knew this in episode 1. 2) We learn Roadblock was a mechanic. We knew this in episode 1. 3) Before episode 4 started, there was some mild trust issues between the military guys and SE. At the end of 5, there is tension between Scarlett and SE - so the tension has only shifted. 4) They introduced two new characters that departed that departed, and apparently will be gone for several episodes. My point is this: it seems like - and I could and may very well might be wrong - that these two episodes could be removed from the story line, inserted at a point further along, and it wouldn't change the continuity at all. In fact, it will be interesting if there is a mention of this in episode 6. Time will tell. This may be a pivotal moment. I'm sure the writers will come back with SS and Jinx - but I wonder if this story couldn't have come later in the journey.
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12-19-2010, 05:12 PM | #757 |
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It was a joke. No one drinks kool-aid anymore <- Note the smiley.
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12-19-2010, 05:32 PM | #759 |
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Wait. We're supposed to get free Kool-Aid with this?!? I'm emailing Hasbro!!!
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12-19-2010, 06:28 PM | #760 |
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The things that suck about Renegades are Lady Jaye being hispanic which is completely unneccessary and overall bullshit. I also am a RAH/Sunbow/Marvel guy and do not like these alternate Joe Universes being created, so I am biased in my reviews. I do feel that Renegades has somewhat taken Duke out of his leader role, which is prolly just for a short time while he gradually asserts himself. Until then, he's an overall pigtit. What's this hate for Snake-Eyes as well? His role hasn't even been that big, yet, and people already say it's the SE show.
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