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08-18-2010, 01:30 PM | #14081 |
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His last 1:18 figure was pretty much a pure sniper. He wasn't piloting anything. And his 12" figure is pretty much the same way. I'm starting to see him less as a pilot, and more of a PJ. However, I can't ignore his first 2 1:18 file cards. He probably has a civilian pilot's licence/training of some sort. The Civil Air Patrol is as good an explanation as any.
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08-18-2010, 01:32 PM | #14082 |
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I haven't even read the Resolute filecards yet.
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08-18-2010, 01:37 PM | #14083 |
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Yeah the pilot thing is civilian to me like Flint and Zap. Kinda like where I read, but cant seem to find it now. Where one of these tier 1,2,3 military units weve been talking about, arent trained to be medics in the military, but on their inititive they take college class EMT classes on their own time.
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08-18-2010, 10:49 PM | #14084 |
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I thought Kill Bin Laden was a better book, mostly because Furey didn't seem to believe his own hype. He seemed very much in awe of his fellow soldiers and heaps praise upon the other SOF teams in their collaborative efforts. Whereas Moore's book isn't very objective. He keeps reminding the reader that he was the only civilian to ever pass the Q course and makes the Green Berets out to be supermen and while not directly belittling the USAF CCT's, the SAS and Delta he clearly states that the Green Berets didn't need them to get the job done. |
08-18-2010, 10:50 PM | #14085 |
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Then again BR is a glider pilot, just like Grunt was a Glider pilot. He wouldn't need to be an officer or have the intensive training that other pilots receive. He's more like an elite paratrooper/sniper who uses an advanced glider system for special insertions. That's how I look at him anyway. This removes the controversy over his enlisted status.
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08-18-2010, 11:37 PM | #14086 |
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Then again BR is a glider pilot, just like Grunt was a Glider pilot. He wouldn't need to be an officer or have the intensive training that other pilots receive. He's more like an elite paratrooper/sniper who uses an advanced glider system for special insertions. That's how I look at him anyway. This removes the controversy over his enlisted status.
So Barrel Roll is the ONLY enlisted airman ever to make the Joe team. Why? There had to be others who tried out for the Joes, but were eliminated for some reason or another. There had to have been PJ's and CCT's who tried out for Joe Selection and didn't make it. Why? Because there's nothing they can do that another Special Operator couldn't do equally good or better... And then comes Barrel Roll. He's obviously USAF Spec Ops, and he's a Sniper - but the Joes have plenty of Snipers (Crosshairs came out at roughly the same time as Barrel Roll. Did the Joes really need 2 new snipers?) And honestly, is Barrel Roll going to be as good of a sniper as Low-Light or Hollow Point or Cross Hairs? No. No he isn't. His file card makes mention of him taking down targets at 400 yards... that's a walk in the park for most Army/Marine Snipers. So why Barrel Roll? Maybe he gets picked up for selection BECAUSE he can fly. No matter how he got it, Barrel Roll is a qualified fixed-wing aircraft pilot, obviously he's not a military pilot, but he's got some kind of private pilot's licence and can operate fixed-wing aircraft. I'm not saying he can pilot a Sky Striker, but he could easily fly a Sesna or maybe even a Leer Jet.... something small: a civilian aircraft. This would be an invaluable asset for a covert mission. Barrel Roll could be sent undercover with another Sniper to take out a certain target. He can fly them down there, and work as a spotter or even as a secondary shooter. He's probably not the shooter that the other three snipers are, but he can certainly hold his own, and he'd be an EXCELLENT spotter/back up man. And when he's not doing that, he's an excellent soldier and field operator who is trained to work in any environment... Now if he's a PJ, let's talk about his potential as a medic. That's a discussion worth having. Let me also say this: I've never been against Barrel Roll, but I was never a huge fan. However, after this recent discovery, he may become one of my favorite Joes... easily top 20.
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08-18-2010, 11:37 PM | #14087 |
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I'm just shocked that Troynos hasn't weighed in on this Barrel Roll discussion. He loves USAF Spec Ops. And he loves Barrel Roll... Where you at on this, Troy?
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08-18-2010, 11:43 PM | #14088 |
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08-18-2010, 11:46 PM | #14089 |
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I think this is an excellent way to look at Barrel Roll, I just can't overlook the fact that the card says "fixed wing pilot"... and that means airplanes. It would have been WAY easier if Hasbro had just made him a "Glider Pilot"... however, I've been thinking about this since yesterday and I've come up with this...
So Barrel Roll is the ONLY enlisted airman ever to make the Joe team. Why? There had to be others who tried out for the Joes, but were eliminated for some reason or another. There had to have been PJ's and CCT's who tried out for Joe Selection and didn't make it. Why? Because there's nothing they can do that another Special Operator couldn't do equally good or better... And then comes Barrel Roll. He's obviously USAF Spec Ops, and he's a Sniper - but the Joes have plenty of Snipers (Crosshairs came out at roughly the same time as Barrel Roll. Did the Joes really need 2 new snipers?) And honestly, is Barrel Roll going to be as good of a sniper as Low-Light or Hollow Point or Cross Hairs? No. No he isn't. His file card makes mention of him taking down targets at 400 yards... that's a walk in the park for most Army/Marine Snipers. So why Barrel Roll? Maybe he gets picked up for selection BECAUSE he can fly. No matter how he got it, Barrel Roll is a qualified fixed-wing aircraft pilot, obviously he's not a military pilot, but he's got some kind of private pilot's licence and can operate fixed-wing aircraft. I'm not saying he can pilot a Sky Striker, but he could easily fly a Sesna or maybe even a Leer Jet.... something small: a civilian aircraft. This would be an invaluable asset for a covert mission. Barrel Roll could be sent undercover with another Sniper to take out a certain target. He can fly them down there, and work as a spotter or even as a secondary shooter. He's probably not the shooter that the other three snipers are, but he can certainly hold his own, and he'd be an EXCELLENT spotter/back up man. And when he's not doing that, he's an excellent soldier and field operator who is trained to work in any environment... Now if he's a PJ, let's talk about his potential as a medic. That's a discussion worth having. Let me also say this: I've never been against Barrel Roll, but I was never a huge fan. However, after this recent discovery, he may become one of my favorite Joes... easily top 20. |
08-19-2010, 12:00 AM | #14090 |
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Well technically gliders are "fixed-wing aircraft". They're just powerless airplanes. You can solo a glider when you're 14 and get a license when you're 16. BR could have certainly gotten his glider rating and even single-engine private pilot's license when he was a civilian but the USAF could have also sent him to a Part 141 school to get these ratings for his "fixed-wing" training like they do for most of their pilots now. After ROTC my ex had to get her private license, which the govt paid for, before starting her military flight training in Miss. The FAA only requires 40 flight hours to get a private pilot license, though the national average is about 65. To fly a Learjet he would need a type rating, requiring a lot more time and training. All turbine-powered aircraft require type ratings.
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