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11-26-2009, 01:48 AM | #181 |
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oh and I wish they focused more on the original 13, they could have done that for awhile longer in my opinion.
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11-26-2009, 02:13 AM | #182 |
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In the cartoon both side fired lasers. It the comic, bullets.
I watched and read both and loved both. But the reality that was shown in the comics of Joes and Cobras being wounded by bullets and shrapnel made it for me. I understand it was a catoon aimed at kids and that the parents would have had a probelm with Flint blowing a Cobra Viper's head off with his shot gun. Lasers were 'cleaner' I guess. Everything fired them in the cartoon and made it colorful and safe viloence. I figure Hasbro must have thought that the cartoon would be seen by everyone and the comic by only collectors. So that influenced the decison. The irony of it all for me was that if you read the data sheets on the toys from then. They actually list the weapons types on the vehicles as mostly non-laser weapons and that they shoot bullets or shells. Even the figures came with realistic copies of actual guns. The only original Joe I remember with the classic laser gun from the cartoon was Snow Job. Funny ain't it? |
11-26-2009, 06:04 AM | #183 |
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I'll chime in and say:
A.) Any celebrity cameo figure. It makes no sense. Why would the Refridgerator Perry, high off of a super bowl win and enriched with endorsement deals, be tapped to join an elite special forces team and fight in a battle-time environment with a goofy non-NFL sports outfit? No sense. I can defend Rowdy Roddy Piper's 25th one-shot in that he is an over the hill celebrity, from Scotland, that maybe was out of work and picked up to train men for MARS, since he is a grenadier training guy. In the real world, civilians get tapped for this from time to time depending on proficiency, so I'll let that one slide. Also, because I have never seen the figure in person to bash it. B.) Any joe figure in sporting attire. You are fighting a vile, ruthless terrorist organization, not playing kickball at the elementary school. Wearing a white jersey and blue baseball hat (yes, I'm talking about HARDBALL)is not only counterproductive to the soldier, but bad for the unit. Gives away their position when one dumb@$$ sticks out and draws fire. 3.) Consistency with weaponary. Let's be straight. I'm a 7 year kid in the '80's, and even then I'm imagining a procurement nightmare for some poor joe greenshirt trying to order ammo for all the different types of guns each joe has. From outdated NATO small arms to future plasma rifles, when one joe is out, it ain't like he's just gonna grab a clip from his fellow pal. Ain't gonna happen. It's a military unit, a general issue (thus the GI for those who are counting) attack force of everyday joe's, so how about some regularity? All I'm saying is there should be more M16's with the figs, so if you want to be an OCD collector like me, you can have your dudes in the same gear. Said. Done. Face. Last edited by lespaul59; 11-26-2009 at 06:07 AM.. |
11-26-2009, 07:46 AM | #184 |
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So wait... if the Transformers really existed in the Joe universe, then that means that Circuitbreaker exists in the Joe universe and that means Spider-Man exists in the Joe universe, which means the Joe universe is really the Marvel universe and ...
...my head hurts now... (and yes, Spider-Man appeared in Issue #3 of the original Transformers limited series) |
11-26-2009, 08:03 AM | #185 |
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worst thing of the gi joe canon?
there isnt any real gi joe canon as far as i can see. canon meaning law and that being a particular set of things upheld by the series as a whole which is nonexistant pretty much aside for small details like destro always wearing a silver face mask... i feel very nerdy now. hmmm... the things i think are corny about gi joe now were my favorite things about it as a small child. particularly the ninjas. quick kick, snake eyes, stormshadow, slice, dice etc... cool when i was a kid... now i dont even display them in my collection. |
11-26-2009, 09:03 AM | #186 |
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Right, but that was fine because the running joke was that Shipwreck was a floating disaster, but he always made it out somehow. Hell, in the new video game they allude to it. When you go in to defeat Cobra they don't know what happened to Shipwreck. His sub was found washed up on the beach, the irony of that doesn't escape me, either. However, they mention that he always seems to make it out okay. Which he does.
It kind of loses something if everyone in Joe is a screw up, with derogatory names. How does a Sailor who is a complete assclown even get asked to join GI Joe? As far as comic prequels it's pretty beat that they don't tell you ahead of time. It's not like they advertised the comics, or even put it in the previews at the theater like "WARNING: This movie will seem like a poorly written POS if you don't go buy these additional media tie-ins." While there are things in RoC continuity that I find eyeroll worthy, I can except those as "not MY Joe", but the new Joe, and get into it. However, making a movie that relies on someone reading a comic book to be able to make the movie seem anything remotely credible, then not letting the general public know about it is annoying at best, and some seriously halfassed storytelling. It's not like the majority of America hangs out in comic shops, hell it's not even like the majority of Joe fans does anymore. -13 Last edited by Trooper13; 11-26-2009 at 09:07 AM.. |
11-26-2009, 09:56 AM | #187 |
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I'm pretty sure that the Ninja Force stuff, with Firefly, was Hama's attempt to "just deal with this crap". I don't think he liked it, was forced to use it, so he just went with it and that's why we got stuff like the Ariashakage Cheerleader Pyramid of Doom.
He figured, if I gotta go there, why not go all the way there and then over.
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11-26-2009, 11:54 AM | #188 |
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Most of the people that saw the Joe movie (Joe fans aren't a huge population) weren't knowledgable about the Joe franchise (or barely remembered it from being a kid - good example, friend of my roommates came over and was looking at my collection, he used to play with Joes as a kid, and he points at a PTE boat I had displayed with some Joes and goes "I had that boat"). So really, it's not half-assed storytelling. Nothing is forcing you to go and buy the comics, they aren't needed, they just further the story. The movie functions just fine without having to know why Ripcord is called Ripcord. How does knowing the name affect the credibility of the movie? Hell, Star Trek you have to go and read a comic to know why Nero was as crazy as he was. Does that ruin the credibility of that movie?
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11-26-2009, 12:10 PM | #189 |
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Anyone think it would be fun to create a poll of some of the most common answers? Just an idea.
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11-26-2009, 12:34 PM | #190 |
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So really, it's not half-assed storytelling. Nothing is forcing you to go and buy the comics, they aren't needed, they just further the story. The movie functions just fine without having to know why Ripcord is called Ripcord. How does knowing the name affect the credibility of the movie? Really? You also need to read the comics to know why the airstrike came early, or why the hell Rex got sent into a building alone, atleast according to you in another movie thread. So yeah, I guess you don't need the comics to explain the story at all. I guess I'm some sort of freak because I expect things to make a little bit of sense. Both those two things are HUGE glaring wtf moments, or atleast they were to me. Like why years go by and Duke never finds out who screwed the pooch on that and why no one hung for it? I just remember every hole I found in RoC you said, oh that was in the comic. That is halfassed stroytelling. Whatever, I'm not going to turn this into another RoC thread, there are plenty of other lame ass things that showed up in all eras of Joe. -13 Last edited by Trooper13; 11-26-2009 at 12:50 PM.. |
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