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04-25-2008, 11:55 AM | #171 |
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In the comics, the government/Pentagon and G.I. Joe didn't always see eye to eye. Jugglers anyone?
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04-25-2008, 12:08 PM | #172 |
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See X2, a film in which the villains were the U.S. government and military. It did just under $215 million at the domestic box office. |
04-26-2008, 10:20 AM | #173 |
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Compulsive, that post is getting too long, you'll have to forgive me if i don't go line for line on you.
1.) i agree with you that ARAH is about more than the US Military's terrorist fighting unit...there is the Cobra aspect to it. that is true. but, when you pull out the united states military, you're taking out vital organs...maybe NOT the heart, since love of country, duty, and comradship aren't exclusively American, ( gi joe's heart material ) but you're at least getting, well, the stomach, or liver...something you can't live without. 2.) Scarlett is just as big to Snake eyes story as Storm Shadow is...in most continuities...but obviously not in the movie, at least not yet. 3.) if you say so about GI Joe fans vs Transformers fans. i'm not a big message board / fansite guy. don't have the time. 4.) you're missing my point about the government / country / patriotism aspect. yes, the bourne movies did well. but Jason Bourne wasn't ANTI - American...and the movie wasn't put out that way. the Government wasn't EVIL, part of it was...and he, someone who cared more about country than government was trying to fix it. same with jack bauer. people LOVE the guy who breaks the rules at work. they live 'vicariously' through them. look at the wrestling world with Stone Cold...drinks beer and kicks the boss's ass. people loved it. MOST characters like that in media are popular. the big point i was making is that movies branded 'anti government', 'anti war', etc, have tanked. they don't get in many theatres because the people would rather put movies in there that will make money. 4.) you missed me on the business thing. you DO / Should appeal to the broadest group you can...but you don't piss a group off, unless you just HAVE to in order to get the story right. they haven't made NECESSARY changes...they have made changes that someone somewhere in the foodchain wanted. with good direction, pushing the ARAH characters in a new story would be JUST as easy as pushing something new. and FINALLY... you did accuse me of posting spoilers, and you even said it showed bad manners. that is why i pointed out that they were only things i had picked up on the site. have a good one. |
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04-26-2008, 10:21 AM | #174 |
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04-26-2008, 02:56 PM | #175 |
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2.) Scarlett is just as big to Snake eyes story as Storm Shadow is...in most continuities...but obviously not in the movie, at least not yet.
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they haven't made NECESSARY changes...they have made changes that someone somewhere in the foodchain wanted.
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i agree with you that ARAH is about more than the US Military's terrorist fighting unit...there is the Cobra aspect to it. that is true. but, when you pull out the united states military, you're taking out vital organs...
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04-26-2008, 08:51 PM | #176 |
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4.) you're missing my point about the government / country / patriotism aspect. yes, the bourne movies did well. but Jason Bourne wasn't ANTI - American...and the movie wasn't put out that way. the Government wasn't EVIL, part of it was...and he, someone who cared more about country than government was trying to fix it. same with jack bauer. people LOVE the guy who breaks the rules at work. they live 'vicariously' through them. look at the wrestling world with Stone Cold...drinks beer and kicks the boss's ass. people loved it. MOST characters like that in media are popular.
the big point i was making is that movies branded 'anti government', 'anti war', etc, have tanked. they don't get in many theatres because the people would rather put movies in there that will make money. |
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Not really. She is the reason he recieves his injury, but Storm Shadows ties with him are what reveals his past, and who he is. Prior to his origin being told, all we knew about Snake Eyes was that he was mysterious, skilled in fighting, and injured badly while saving Scarlett. When his ties to Storm Shadow are revealed, we realize his life sucks and Storm Shadow got shafted hard core.
scarlett is the one who gets him to start trusting again, after what he perceived as Storm Shadow's treachery. he was with her for years, constantly risking his life for her, being engaged to her, etc. if she isn't a BIGGER part of his character, she's as BIG as SS. Quote:
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G.I. Joe was comprised of members from the military, but not necessarily part of the military. The way I saw it, G.I. Joe did all the dirty work for the government, the work the government nor the military wanted to be associated/involved with. The Jugglers even saw G.I. Joe as a nuisance, overlooking the real problems that G.I. Joe was ambitious enough to counter.
in Marvel, the canon, they were clearly UNDER the jugglers / pentagon, and had a hierarchy going from Duke up to Hawk, up to General Flagg / Hollingsworth / Hawk again...then the Pentagon...they constantly referred to it. their pay came through the Pentagon, and to whatever base they were attached to. this was seen in issue, hell, somewhere in the 50's to 60's when Raptor was able to use the Pentagon's salary database to locate the Joes. they were attached to the Chaplain's assistant motor pool, at Ft. Wadsworth, Staten Island...a U.S. Military Base. there are PLENTY of citings from the joes themselves about working for 'uncle sugar'...Uncle Sam...United States Government...before the fall of the Pit at Ft. Wadsworth, Flint is trying to get Lady Jaye's attention by even mentioning his great insurance policy from 'uncle sugar' as a reason she should 'hitch' up with him. there are more...but you probably know them too. in the CARTOON...there are more. remember when cobra had the space station, or satellites and the joes were going to shoot them out of the sky with modified Sky Strikers? who did they go to for the MONEY? A congressman that wanted tickets to the Army - Navy football game. something that he thought Duke could get because he was a member of the U.S. Army. how about when Falcon was being COURT MARTIALED for negligence of duty? not tried in a court...COURT MARTIALED...that is something that occurs to the MILITARY. go back to Action Man etc, and maybe not...but the GI Joe: A Real American Hero...and they are part of the American Military. i could win that one in a court of law...too much evidence. if you don't like to think of them in the military...whatever reason...if you would rather think of them as something 'beyond' the military...if you would rather think...( since the Rock might be in this movie...i'll borrow a line from him ) IT doesn't matter what you think! evidence says other wise. ok, i realize that was uncalled for and possibly over the top...probably not even funny for any of you who never saw Duane Johnson on a microphone...and really stupide to say to a ModGod, but, hell, i've said worse before, so take it as...whatever ya want i guess. point is, they, GI Joe, ARAH, the characters that are in THIS movie, are in the US Military. |
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04-26-2008, 08:59 PM | #178 |
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i said earlier that countries around the world don't HATE the US, our military, etc, as much as we may think at home. i also said that the people who don't like us, and DO hate those stated above, are NOT going to go see this movie. the reason it was mentioned, i believe, is because we said it might be a reason that the Joes' nationalities were changed. |
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04-27-2008, 02:46 AM | #179 |
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Look, the history of GI Joe, ARAH are totally against you on this one, so you might as well swallow it.
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and really stupide to say to a ModGod,
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evidence says other wise.
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the characters that are in THIS movie, are in the US Military.
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i also said that the people who don't like us, and DO hate those stated above, are NOT going to go see this movie.
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if she isn't a BIGGER part of his character, she's as BIG as SS.
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i could win that one in a court of law...too much evidence.
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i agree with you that ARAH is about more than the US Military's terrorist fighting unit...there is the Cobra aspect to it. that is true. but, when you pull out the united states military, you're taking out vital organs...maybe NOT the heart, since love of country, duty, and comradship aren't exclusively American, ( gi joe's heart material ) but you're at least getting, well, the stomach, or liver...something you can't live without.
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And again, no one has to "hate" America or its military to be put off by the idea of a movie that could be seen as a promotional piece for the U.S. Army. Like I said, marketing, rather than content, is the way to create perception in the minds of potential moviegoers. |
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