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10-08-2009, 11:31 PM | #21 |
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I think it really depends on the movie or show.
You mention Transformers, but that hasn't been released on BluRay, and he source material likely isn't good enough to warrant it, given the crazy amount of restoration that has gone into making it DVD worthy. I've just watched BluRay Snow White, and it has been pretty magnificently restored. It's not going to be as crisp as something new, but the colors look great and it is very clean. Some edges are soft, but I imagine that has something to do with the way animation was photographed in 1937, and the softer quality still looks nice. I've watched a couple of the DC direct to video on Blu-Ray, and they are pretty sharp. In some ways, I think the visible edges and solid colors on animation makes it more evident than live action when you aren't watching Hi-Def. The characters' outlines may appear pixelated. The colors on the cells don't appear as uniform, they can be grainy and appear to shift around. I often don't notice a huge difference in films, unless the transfer is particularly amazing, and some really high quality DVDs can almost pass for Blu Ray to me. But, of all my Blu-Rays, the one that really "popped" the most as unbelieveably clear...was the VentureBros. Season 3. I'm sure it's digitally colored, which must help, but so is just about all "hand drawn" animation nowadays. |
10-08-2009, 11:53 PM | #22 |
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You mean you notice that "grainy" quality that older films have that's part of the developing process alot clearer, than the softer image of Standard DVD which is not as crisp as BluRay? I don't mean that the picture is "crappy grainy" but real Film grain that a projector usually outputs I think...I know what you mean, it's like more "Authenthic" Imagewise...
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10-09-2009, 12:34 AM | #23 |
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I often don't notice a huge difference in films, unless the transfer is particularly amazing, and some really high quality DVDs can almost pass for Blu Ray to me. But, of all my Blu-Rays, the one that really "popped" the most as unbelieveably clear...was the VentureBros. Season 3. I'm sure it's digitally colored, which must help, but so is just about all "hand drawn" animation nowadays.
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10-09-2009, 12:37 AM | #24 |
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Well, photographs will always be sharper than anything else because they are analog. Digital is never as clear as Analog because of the limitations of digital recording. Whereas digital is limited to a sampling rate, analog has an "infinite" sampling rate (for lack of a better term). The closer a digital image gets to the photograph, the better the image will be. That's why older movies look better on BluRay, even though there may be a certain amount of deterioration of the original film.
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10-09-2009, 01:30 AM | #25 |
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I'm pretty sure just about ALL animation made today is digitally colored these days, which is why you don't catch autobot symbols being purple, decepticon symbols being red, autobots suddenly having red-eyes, characters briefly switching colors and other animation mistakes so common in the old Transformer/Joe Era Animation. As annoying as such things can be, I find a certain charm in the way old school things were done...Part of cartoons of My youth that have just about completely disappeared.
It's gotten better now, but for some reason, stylistically or otherwise, many of the earlier digitally colored cartoons had washed out colors that couldn't match the bold red and dark blue of Optimus Prime, for example. It came across as more of a pink and blue slate. I did a test with the Snow White BluRay after seeing this thread by watching a bit of the included DVD of the film, followed by the BluRay. The DVD looked pretty good coming through the HDMI, pretty clean, maybe a bit dated. After seeing what I thought was great quality I was surprised that the BluRay did look noticeably better. Part of this is no doubt due to the additional cleanup that was done for the Hi-Def release, but it was more vibrant. The backgrounds didn't look faded from age or type of photography, they looked hand drawn! It really gives an appreciation for the work that went into it. I couldn't imagine looking better coming out of a projector in 1937. Whatever flaws show up are all part of seeing what is closer to the actual artwork. I have noticed, on TV and DVDs, that there is clarity lost as the pixels seem to be playing catch-up with the characters' motions, like a faint ghosting as they rearrange to approximate the visible colors. |
10-09-2009, 01:50 AM | #26 |
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I remember when the Digital Age was beginning with Digital Sattelite Cable and DVD's and Pixelization and other "Ghosting" effects would happen, and I'd be like "whoah, what's that about?" Now it's just like "Oh this Transfer isn't that up to par and whatnot" funny how you become accustomed to these things.
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10-09-2009, 03:02 AM | #27 |
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And just so we're clear (I've had people get this mixed up before), we're talking component video (a.k.a. YPBPr... it's a trio of red, blue, and green colour-coded connectors dedicated to video) and not composite video (a.k.a. RCA... one yellow video connector and white and red connectors for stereo sound). |
10-09-2009, 03:40 AM | #28 |
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The delay that results in "ghosting" is due to the LCD's pixels taking time to adjust from gray-to-gray or black-to-white/white-to-black. The amount of time this takes to happen is indicated by the LCD TV's response time. Problem with this is that there aren't any standards on how to report response time. Some manufacturers list the gray-to-gray (GtG) transition time as the TV's response time. Others use black-to-white/white-to-black transition times (commonly referred to as TrTf -- Time rising/Time falling). The problem with the different reporting methods is that they mean different things. GtG response time will always be slower than TrTf response times, because it takes more processing time to zero in on the accurate gray levels than to simply switch from "on" to "off." But some people argue that listing the gray-to-gray response times is a more accurate reflection of how an LCD TV will perform in real-world conditions (since most colour changes in video takes the form of switching from various levels within a colour gradient, and not black-to-white/white-to-black transitions). The problems arise when you're shopping for an LCD TV. You could be comparing two similarly priced and spec'd TVs, with the only difference being their response times (remember, lower is better). But if one lists its GtG response time and the other lists its TrTf time, you can't really compare those two numbers as they measure two different things. If you're in a store with competent and helpful staff, they can probably get the GtG and TrTf numbers for you from a manual so you can do a fair and objective comparison, but in many cases, the manufacturers themselves don't include the pertinent information on the packaging or the quick set-up manual. Last edited by zuludelta; 10-09-2009 at 03:48 AM.. Reason: edited for spelling |
10-09-2009, 04:36 AM | #29 |
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I got my old PS2 and DVD player hooked up to my LCD Projector and I can tell you when I switched from component to s video it was night and day. Everything was so sharp and crisp so I was thinking HD on this thing must be off the wall. Then I went to someones house that had a HD set up to his projector. It was a better picture but not by much. So I'm just staying with s video. As for animation brighter colors is about the only difference I've noticed, but again it's not much.
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10-09-2009, 05:23 AM | #30 |
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What you probably mean is "composite to s-video." Component is a full HD spec connection comparable to HDMI/DVI at 1080i resolution, and supports resolutions above and beyond what S-video can. Don't worry though, lots of people make that mistake (seriously, who decided on the "component" name anyway? It just lends itself to easy confusion).
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