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12-03-2014, 07:05 PM | #1 |
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When they had some news about this movie a couple months ago, and all the people they were hoping to cast in it, I figured they might get one or two of the names, then fill in the rest with some reasonable alternatives. But damn, they got pretty much everyone that was mentioned. Except for Ryan Gosling, and I really don't see him as a big loss. He's too soft for this type of movie. He might could play Booster Gold though (but that would never compete with the movie I always imagined of Blue Beetle and Booster Gold with Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson as the stars).
Anyway, the cast is: Will Smith as Deadshot Tom Hardy as Rick Flagg Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn Jared Leto as the Joker Jai Courtney as Boomerang Cara Delevingne as Enchantress Good move for Smith to play a villain, rather than just crank out a sequel to Independence Day or Bad Boys. He tends to do that when he hits a rut. I like Tom Hardy in everything I've seen him in, but I don't know anything about Rick Flagg. Leto as the Joker is the best bit of news to me. I can see them going for a really scary clown look with him, sorta like how he is in the Arkham video games. I was hoping he was going to play Doctor Strange. (I like Benedict Cumberbatch just fine, but I'm getting kind of sick of him. I think Richard Armitage would be great too). Points to DC for getting their Enchantress on the big screen first. Marvel's version is better, and she really should have at least been shown in one of the two Thor movies already. But to the non-comicbookgeek crowd of movie-goers, they'll think of DC's as the original now. And David Ayer is the perfect director for something like this. It gives me hope that it really will be the dark, gritty movie that it should be. |
12-03-2014, 08:50 PM | #2 |
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I still question the logic in doing a Suicide Squad film at this stage to begin with. To me, it's like trying to do Guardians of the Galaxy before Captain America, this burgoning film "universe" will have only had two films (one of which released only a few months prior) to establish this universe.
The Suicide Squad is a concept I feel works best in showing the "other side of things" which we really haven't seen yet. I also question the inclusion of Joker and Harley Quinn as well, as it feels like Warner is using the Batman connection to bring people in, rather than the concept itself (that said, I think the Leto casting is an inspiration on par with many of Marvel's casting decisions). And from the casting, the film still reeks of the kind of overblown production values the Warner DC titles have been seeing since the turn of the decade. Of all the DC superhero films, except for Dark Knight with 185 million, they've all had budgets well in excess of 200 million, regardless the concept. With that, DC has leaned FAR more heavily on casting big names in the their projects, which I think can overshadow the base concept. The Suicide Squad won't be the "DC villians movie", it will be "the Will Smith superhero team movie". And that will only be worse if WB actually manages to get Oprah to be Amanda Waller. As I've said elsewhere, it feels like DC is trying to reap the financial rewards of shared film universe, without spending the years, money and FILMS to actually establish it the way Marvel did.
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12-03-2014, 08:52 PM | #3 |
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Smith is miscast as Floyd. Tom Hardy should have been Deadshot and we all know it......dreadful decision by WB IMO(who have almost certainly made this choice).
Leto's Joker will be great IMO.....I don't worship at the altar of Ledgers Joker(its behind Jack and Hamill for me) so I will be open minded and give the guy a chance. As a huge mark for the character? I'm excited by this casting. He isn't a suicide squad player though.....but the SS could be after him for all we know? This is also set to be tied into the DCCU so I wouldn't bet on it being too dark & gritty. Smiths casting has hurt my enthusiasm here. its yet another misstep after the horrific choice of Gadot as Diana......BUT I'm still kinda excited. EDIT I have just thought of something......if WB wanted Smith in the leading role why the hell didn't they cast him as Bronze Tiger? BT often acted as the leader of the SS(and is tied to the property just as much as Deadshot) and was a heroic character to boot.......Smith is MUCH better suited for BT than Floyd. It would also be a great shot in the arm for the character having Smith play him. Goddamnit WB. Last edited by JokerFC; 12-03-2014 at 09:30 PM.. |
12-03-2014, 09:53 PM | #4 |
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I still think Ayers' style will make the film be pretty grim. "Man of Steel" wasn't exactly cheerful. Smith wasn't even all that likable when he played Hancock, so I could see them making him a true villain. But the government will end up looking like even worse villains. Maybe he's taking a lesson from Tom Cruise, and trying to change up his image a little by playing the bad guy (like Cruise did in "Collateral"). Maybe he's just jealous that his wife gets to play a baddie on tv. I dunno, but even though they're doing it the opposite of Marvel, I still like the idea of it all.
And I'm really glad they're not using Deathstroke. Hopefully they're saving him for the solo Batman movie or the Justice League film. |
12-04-2014, 07:24 AM | #5 |
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I still think Ayers' style will make the film be pretty grim. "Man of Steel" wasn't exactly cheerful. Smith wasn't even all that likable when he played Hancock, so I could see them making him a true villain. But the government will end up looking like even worse villains. Maybe he's taking a lesson from Tom Cruise, and trying to change up his image a little by playing the bad guy (like Cruise did in "Collateral"). Maybe he's just jealous that his wife gets to play a baddie on tv. I dunno, but even though they're doing it the opposite of Marvel, I still like the idea of it all.
And I'm really glad they're not using Deathstroke. Hopefully they're saving him for the solo Batman movie or the Justice League film. Like you man I am very pleased they didn't use Deathstroke and yes I would definitely use him in a future Batman movie. |
12-04-2014, 07:59 AM | #6 |
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Cara delevingue? Can she even walk and talk at the same time?plenty of legitimate actresses who should have been considered for this particular role over the "supermodel".haha.
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12-04-2014, 09:43 AM | #7 |
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I'd actually say it was more like Marvel starting with The Avengers and then working backward.
I think Warner Bros. are set on making superhero movies for superhero fans only, rather than creating movies everybody will enjoy. It's like there's this arrogance of, ''what do you mean, you don't know who Deadshot is? Huh. Well go watch another movie because you're obviously not the target audience.'' The smart approach is the one Marvel took: introduce each character in a stand-alone movie and then bring them together. That way each character is fully-realized and we, the audience, are familiar with their back story, powers and character, so when they come together the movie can hit the ground running and get on with the fun of seeing these guys interact. Here we're going to get versions of characters nobody is familiar with (and so are going to be compared to the versions people DO know (so Leto is going to have some big shoes to fill there)), who are then going to have to be introduced to the audience (or, if WB decide to be asses, just thrown at us with no introduction) and then we're supposed to feel... what, exactly? The smart move would have been to follow the Arrow/Avengers route of sprinkling breadcrumbs throughout the previous movies. Have a post-credit Batman stinger where he discovers the Joker never made it to Arkham Asylum; end Flash's movie with a mystery woman intercepting Captain Boomerang on his way to jail with a ''we'll take it from here.'' Take time to BUILD the universe. The problem is Warner Bros. see these movies as cash-ins on Marvel's success. It's a prime example of ''me, too! Me, too!'' wah-wah-ness and rather than do service to the material they're just jumping on the superhero bandwagon. I'd much rather see them just scrap the movies altogether and instead pump the money into producing a bunch of high-quality TV shows or even TV movies/limited run series. The Arrow/Flash crossovers show it's possible to create a shared universe on TV that works and that's where they should be going.
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12-04-2014, 01:02 PM | #8 |
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I think it's not so much that Warner Brothers is only catering to comic fans. You don't have to know the Suicide Squad to enjoy a Suicide Squad movie, especially when you cast one of the biggest stars in the world in your film.
It's basically just an alternative strategy: Warner Brothers is banking on an underlying familiarity with their universe(s) borne by decades of exposure across multiple movies, cartoons, comics, etc... The particulars might not be exactly the same in the new reboots, but the particulars aren't as important as the overall sense of familiarity. Suicide Squad has recently cropped up on Arrow, in the Assault on Arkham DTV movie, popped up in JLU and I think they even took a nod towards it in Smallville. It's not a completely unknown quantity. Heck, I'd say there's a good chance it's more familiar to general audiences than Guardians of the Galaxy were, if only by a smidgen. I do agree that Marvel's approach seems better, particularly in regards to creating a consistent and long-lasting universe, but the think I kind of welcome about Warner Brothers is that we just MIGHT start to get away from the endless recycling of the origin stories if they're basically going with a "fully realized" universe straight out of the gate. I wouldn't be surprised if they basically pull a "New 52" and have the Justice League movie set like 5 years after Superman v. Batman and the team just cruising along without all this "Let's form a team!" business. I'd hope for something like that anyway...people know these characters are on a team together, and probably don't care all that much about how they came together (and if necessary can just mention it or show it in flashback in the film). |
12-04-2014, 07:16 PM | #9 |
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It seems since DC is following Marvel in the whole shared-universe thing, that they're bound to get second guessed no matter what. If they did the solo movies first, then the big team up, they're just copying Marvel. If they do the team up first, then the solos, they're dumb for not copying Marvel. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Something like this really doesn't need a lot of background info. They can open with a voiceover like something from "The A-Team". Just because it's a superhero movie doesn't mean we have to know everything about all the characters. There's a million comics they can go read for that. Stuff like "Mission: Impossible" can just start with the action and not worry about the backstory. We've had 4 of those movies now and all that we know about Ethan Hunt is that he's a spy, he has an aunt, and he was married for a little while. The same goes James Bond. He's a spy, and he's an orphan. They can do the same with Batman, and they probably will since this is an older Batman that we're getting. All they need is a ten second montage of young Bruce with his parents, then them shot. Or Clark Kent looking up his file and seeing what happened. More people probably know Batman's origin than Jesus'. |
12-04-2014, 10:37 PM | #10 |
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Ah I just hope everything works out well and the movies are great at this point. I particularly wish Leto the best because the Nolan freaks will have it out really bad for him.
I'm just delighted that Suicide Squad will most likely give us a real Joker this time around.....I'm betting he will be pretty close to the Arkham games given their HUGE popularity. Still cant believe Smith isn't Bronze Tiger and Hardy isn't Deadshot though.....those casting choices stuck me to the floor. |
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