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03-19-2012, 07:03 AM | #31 |
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You may not want to hear it, but it's absolutely the truth: "Fantasy Violence" gets a WAY bigger latitude in the US than "realistic" violence.
The battle between Lurtz and Aragorn at the end of Fellowship of the Ring would have been a straight-up R rating if Lurtz were a human and red "human" blood was being spilled. Likewise, Star Wars lightsaber and blaster violence tends to get a pass because it's "bloodless." Not really something you can pull off with a Ninja sword (at least not without it being silly). I would also note: You got what seems to be exactly the kind of Joe cartoon you wanted with Resolute. I don't recall any parents complaining. But yes, if they started showing Roadblock exploding Cobra Troopers' heads like ripe melons with .50 caliber rounds...yeah, that's not gonna fly on a "kids" show. I'm not 100 percent certain, but I think the reason "fantasy/sci-fi" violence gets more leeway is because the idea is that kids can't actually emulate it because things like blasters and lightsabers aren't real. Whereas guns (the preferred weapon of G.I. Joe) very much are (the reason they're almost always made into "lasers" on the animated programs). Little Billy can't rummage in daddy's closet and find a functioning Lightsaber, but he might find a hunting rifle that he could shoot Joey the neighbor kid with. Is it silly? Sure, but it's a double-standard we've been living with for decades now. Wow. Is this your first time on the internet? No, but I forgot to run this question by RuckusJr before posting. Where is my manners? |
03-19-2012, 09:05 AM | #32 |
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I remember reading stories abou groups of parents against the Gi Joe toons of the 80's for being violent. So ARAH used red and blue laser guns and not okay. STAR WARS CLONE WARS uses red and blue lightsabers cutting of heads and that is acceptable right?
Why is there a double standard when it comes to GI Joe cartoons and SW CW? That is what I was asking about. |
03-19-2012, 09:34 AM | #33 |
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And it was answered above.
Fantasy/Sci-Fi gets away with it because it's not something that kids can emulate. It's fantasy, there are no real world elements. That's why it got away with it compared to the Joe toon. And it's not really a double standard. It's different genres. Rules are different for the different genres. Like a mature rated military cartoon can get away with alot more then a PG-13 rated military cartoon which can have more then a G rated military cartoon.
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03-19-2012, 10:12 AM | #34 |
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I remember reading stories abou groups of parents against the Gi Joe toons of the 80's for being violent. So ARAH used red and blue laser guns and not okay. STAR WARS CLONE WARS uses red and blue lightsabers cutting of heads and that is acceptable right?
Why is there a double standard when it comes to GI Joe cartoons and SW CW? That is what I was asking about. Quote:
And it was answered above.
Fantasy/Sci-Fi gets away with it because it's not something that kids can emulate. It's fantasy, there are no real world elements. That's why it got away with it compared to the Joe toon. And it's not really a double standard. It's different genres. Rules are different for the different genres. Like a mature rated military cartoon can get away with alot more then a PG-13 rated military cartoon which can have more then a G rated military cartoon. In other words, getting pissed that Clone Wars is more violent than the old Joe toons is nonsensical. A more fair comparison would be Clone Wars and Renegades, and I think we can all agree that Renegades was far more violent than the 80's Joe toon (though once again, most of that violence was against nonhuman opponents/bio-vipers). Swords actually cut things/people, people actually get hit with those red and blue lasers, and folks end up horribly scarred in explosions/etc... Bad guys don't always parachute out of the vehicle before it explodes...all things we wouldn't have seen in the 80's, and that's not even getting into Resolute. So actually no, there isn't really a double-standard between Joe and Star Wars at present. The most recent Joe cartoons have been far more violent than the 80's version, but it's still been "fantasy" violence. The 80's toon is irrelevant if you're comparing it to Clone Wars. It's been 20+ years of changing social mores between them. It'd be like complaining that the old Brady Bunch show didn't deal strongly enough with teenage sexuality and drug culture, or that the Andy Griffith Show didn't realistically portray police procedures. It was a different time when those shows were made, and they reflect what viewers of that particular time found acceptable and entertaining. Last edited by Jmacq1; 03-19-2012 at 10:19 AM.. |
03-19-2012, 02:22 PM | #35 |
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You may not want to hear it, but it's absolutely the truth: "Fantasy Violence" gets a WAY bigger latitude in the US than "realistic" violence.
The battle between Lurtz and Aragorn at the end of Fellowship of the Ring would have been a straight-up R rating if Lurtz were a human and red "human" blood was being spilled. Likewise, Star Wars lightsaber and blaster violence tends to get a pass because it's "bloodless." Not really something you can pull off with a Ninja sword (at least not without it being silly). I would also note: You got what seems to be exactly the kind of Joe cartoon you wanted with Resolute. I don't recall any parents complaining. But yes, if they started showing Roadblock exploding Cobra Troopers' heads like ripe melons with .50 caliber rounds...yeah, that's not gonna fly on a "kids" show. I'm not 100 percent certain, but I think the reason "fantasy/sci-fi" violence gets more leeway is because the idea is that kids can't actually emulate it because things like blasters and lightsabers aren't real. Whereas guns (the preferred weapon of G.I. Joe) very much are (the reason they're almost always made into "lasers" on the animated programs). Little Billy can't rummage in daddy's closet and find a functioning Lightsaber, but he might find a hunting rifle that he could shoot Joey the neighbor kid with. Is it silly? Sure, but it's a double-standard we've been living with for decades now. |
03-19-2012, 04:25 PM | #36 |
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80's joes at least got to punch each other- 70's Superfriends (the Wendy and marvin version) couldn't even fight. And if superman did throw a punch it had to be at something that was not remotely human looking in any way. 80's joe was a violent and brutal show in comparison to the 70's version of the justice league. Times (and Cable vs. Public Television) have changed a lot since then
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03-19-2012, 10:16 PM | #37 |
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80's Joe's werent allowed to show "real guns" & "bullet gunfire" hence why there where laser guns & sounds, but I've been watching the Rambo cartoon which came out in the 80's and not only did they have the sounds of "real gunfire" but they had "real guns", Kat carried 2 Mac 10's and Rambo was seen a few times with his M60.
Also was watching the old Johnny Quest cartoon and not only did they use real guns, but people got killed on that show(I know the show came out in the late 60's before all the tv regulations reguarding kids programming was in effect and that show caught flak for all the violence).
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03-20-2012, 12:22 AM | #38 |
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Wow I got 4 replies from the same dude for one post. That's the sorta stuff that crazy is made of. Add to that the PMs he sent me, and it looks like I have an admirer. What a sweetheart. If I was into dudes, you'd totally be #1 on my list.
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