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Originally Posted by Wataru

So in 22 years, Yoda goes from unstoppable object taking on Palpatine, misc bad guys, Dooku....to barely able to lift an X-Wing out of the mud?

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Yoda lost his fights to both Dooku and Palpatine, given more time and better conditions he would have beat them, but he didn't. He was tough, but I never saw him as unstoppable, (the first thing he did after Dooku got away was to grab his cain and Palpatine had him running) And i never saw any difficulty in lifting the x-wing, he just focused on it and did it.

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Originally Posted by Lo-Wan Bing

Yoda lost his fights to both Dooku and Palpatine, given more time and better conditions he would have beat them, but he didn't. He was tough, but I never saw him as unstoppable, (the first thing he did after Dooku got away was to grab his cain and Palpatine had him running) And i never saw any difficulty in lifting the x-wing, he just focused on it and did it.

Wait how did he lose his fights....Dooku Cheated and he was dogging Palps...........

Palps Draw
Dooku he won........

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Originally Posted by spacemonkeymafia

Wait how did he lose his fights....Dooku Cheated and he was dogging Palps...........

Palps Draw
Dooku he won........

Dooku's goal was to get away and continue the war. the Jedi's goal was to stop him. Dooku got away. He won. If Yoda had been tougher/better he would have been able to stop Dooku (and not let Obi-Wan and Anakin get squished) So, all I mean by that is, even back during the clone wars he wasn't unstoppable. Really really good, but not unstoppable.

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Dooku was incomplete. Dooku was going to lose, but to escape he dropped some debris on Obi-wan and Anakin and escaped.

vs Palpatine, he couldnt win. They were matched in skill. Palpatine's only rival was Mace Windu and that was based on Windu's skill with the lightsaber. Palpatine was an amazing saberman but not as great as Windu. Yoda said he failed when he escaped from Palpatine because he couldnt win.

[Wataru]

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Originally Posted by Lo-Wan Bing

Dooku's goal was to get away and continue the war. the Jedi's goal was to stop him. Dooku got away. He won. If Yoda had been tougher/better he would have been able to stop Dooku (and not let Obi-Wan and Anakin get squished) So, all I mean by that is, even back during the clone wars he wasn't unstoppable. Really really good, but not unstoppable.

..wait what? That is the worst run down ever. Dooku was attempting to escape and had his chance when he put Obi-Wan and Anakin down. But Yoda interrupted. Then they matched skills. In Force powers, Dooku believed them equal, and in saber fighting Yoda summarily owned him. Which is why Dooku pulled the debris drop on Anakin and Obi-Wan. That doesnt mean Yoda lost, it means Dooku cut-n-run.

Basically, Dooku retreated. Which is what Cobra did in every single episode of GI Joe. Does that mean the Joe's lost? Nope.

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Originally Posted by Wataru

Dooku was incomplete. Dooku was going to lose, but to escape he dropped some debris on Obi-wan and Anakin and escaped.

vs Palpatine, he couldnt win. They were matched in skill. Palpatine's only rival was Mace Windu and that was based on Windu's skill with the lightsaber. Palpatine was an amazing saberman but not as great as Windu. Yoda said he failed when he escaped from Palpatine because he couldnt win.

Yoda is a better swords man than Windu...thats stated by Lucas.....so that doesnt work........he meant he failed because because it was more of a draw........and already tired and weak with Troopers on the way...

And because Dooku cheated it doesnt say Yoda lost..........

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Originally Posted by spacemonkeymafia

Palps Draw
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no, Palpatine definately beat him. Yoda had him on the ropes for a while, but after all was said and done, it was Yoda that had to scurry away in defeat. He said it best himeslf "Failed, I have"

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Originally Posted by Lo-Wan Bing

no, Palpatine definately beat him. Yoda had him on the ropes for a while, but after all was said and done, it was Yoda that had to scurry away in defeat. He said it best himeslf "Failed, I have"

Man that was a draw....you have to remember in lucas's crazy world high ground means something..........LOL....

Im sorry giving a better place to fight Yoda all the way.........

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Originally Posted by Wataru

..wait what? That is the worst run down ever. Dooku was attempting to escape and had his chance when he put Obi-Wan and Anakin down. But Yoda interrupted. Then they matched skills. In Force powers, Dooku believed them equal, and in saber fighting Yoda summarily owned him. Which is why Dooku pulled the debris drop on Anakin and Obi-Wan. That doesnt mean Yoda lost, it means Dooku cut-n-run.

Basically, Dooku retreated. Which is what Cobra did in every single episode of GI Joe. Does that mean the Joe's lost? Nope.

If Cobra's goal was only to escape, then yes... the joes lost every time. But that usually wasn't their goal, just the outcome. The joes stopping them from stealing some energy do-hickey was a win. Dooku only wanted to start a war and get away. He beat Obi, he beat Anakin and when Yoda tried to stop him, what happened? Did Yoda stop him? No. Did Dooku cheat? well, he is a bad guy after all, so of course he did. But he got away. Therefore Dooku:1 Yoda:0

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Originally Posted by spacemonkeymafia

Yoda is a better swords man than Windu...thats stated by Lucas.....so that doesnt work........he meant he failed because because it was more of a draw........and already tired and weak with Troopers on the way...

And because Dooku cheated it doesnt say Yoda lost..........

Ugh no no. Windu was the greatest saber weilder at the time. Lucas got so lost in the universe he STARTED and allowed others to expand that he cant even keep it straight. Lucas and his company will allow others to write in the SWU and then just spit in their face and ignore them, screwing over canon, or write subpar stories.

Yoda's goal was to kill Palpatine and end the Sith controlling the Senate. He couldnt do it because Palpatine was an extremely powerful well rounded Sith Lord. Also, the ability to draw on The Force was diminished in Episode 2-3, as stated by Mace Windu. Windu's Force speciality and saber techique are what gave him an edge of Palpatine.