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View Poll Results: Should DC bring back the JSA's Earth 2? | |||
Deffently yes!! The Huntress was a better character as Batman's daughter. | 4 | 26.67% | |
Heck No! The stories are better with them as the parental team on the primary DC Earth. | 8 | 53.33% | |
What's is a "Earth 2"? | 2 | 13.33% | |
Get a life buddy, this is a toy collecting site... (Dang Superhero comic book geeks) | 1 | 6.67% | |
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04-25-2010, 02:02 AM | #11 |
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I'm not very familiar with pre-Crisis JSA aside from their last stand in the Crisis hardcover.
It's a tough call since every time a DC event rolls around, it can be tough keeping track of all the characters. They had the Crisis to clean things up, then they undid it...and now I'm not sure how many Earths there are. It seems half the characters have a dynasty of relatives and mentors that practically form a team of their own! So I'm torn. Multiple Earths could be a bit much, and they do seem to prefer the JLA collide with evil twins than something along the lines of the JSA. But, I think it would be cool to see more original members, not their successors, get a shot in modern comics. They deserve it. |
04-25-2010, 03:37 AM | #12 |
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It's a tough call since every time a DC event rolls around, it can be tough keeping track of all the characters. They had the Crisis to clean things up, then they undid it...and now I'm not sure how many Earths there are. It seems half the characters have a dynasty of relatives and mentors that practically form a team of their own!
So I'm torn. Multiple Earths could be a bit much, and they do seem to prefer the JLA collide with evil twins than something along the lines of the JSA. But, I think it would be cool to see more original members, not their successors, get a shot in modern comics. They deserve it. It would also allow for the JSA to be the leading team on there Earth again. I personally like Superman grey at the temples, Robin having grown up and remaing Robin out of respect, and the Huntress and Powergirl doing the "World's Finest" the next generation etc. You'll have to forgive me if I'm sounding all old, I picked up "Crisis on Multiple Earths" Volume 5 (collecting the old JLA/JSA crossovers)today and it just makes me long for that continuity. Somehow that continuity always seemed a little more real to me, the heroes being not quite as powerful, especially with the characters aging it just seemed a little more plausable.
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04-25-2010, 11:10 AM | #13 |
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They aged only because they started back in WW2 and the stories on Earth 2 were told in present day much like those on Earth 1 are now. Once they got into the present day stories they stopped aging like all the other characters in current comics.
They suffer from the same lack of realism (aging) that other characters do. They just didn't go thru any suspended animation or anything in going from WW2 to present day. So they showed the effects of those years but now that they're in current time stories, they no longer age. Earth 2 Superman was in JSA for awhile and died not that long ago. Not quite as powerful? Not sure I follow that one. Spectre, Green Lantern, Flash, Superman, Powergirl, Wonder Woman, Hawkman, Doctor Fate, etc... I mean they had the Spectre on their team. THE SPECTRE!! A god-like power. How is that not quite as powerful? Also do have the direct descendants: Hourman (Rick Tyler), Liberty Belle (Jesse Quick), Black Canary Have those carrying on the names: Stargirl (Starman & Star Spangled Kid), Dr. Fate, Dr. Mid-Nite, Mister Terrific, Mr. America So the Earth 2 JSA is alive and well in multiple forms.
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04-25-2010, 04:48 PM | #14 |
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They aged only because they started back in WW2 and the stories on Earth 2 were told in present day much like those on Earth 1 are now. Once they got into the present day stories they stopped aging like all the other characters in current comics.
They suffer from the same lack of realism (aging) that other characters do. They just didn't go thru any suspended animation or anything in going from WW2 to present day. Quote:
Or are you refering to the "Kingdom Come" Earth 22 Superman who was involved with the JSA but did return to 22 after awhile. Quote:
Dr. Fate (who's costume I always loved) was also often portyayed as a little relunctant or being effected by either personal or power problems which limited his abilities. When I was growing up the Earth 2 Superman was constantly described as being less powerful than Earth 1's, partly due to age but mainly because they were trying to stick to Golden Age power levels as oposed to the greater Silver Age levels. So by default Power Girl as an adult should have been less powerful than the pre Crisis adult Supergirl. I seem to remember something similar with Wonder Woman Hawkman was simply a normal guy who remembered his past lives. Yes he had access to Nth Metal but that only gave him the ability of flight, the rest of his ability came from training and his memories of how to use archic weapons effectivly. Alan Scott would be on par I guess with Hal/Guy/John Jay Garrick is deffently equal to Barry Allen. This was one of the reasons why I liked the Earth 2 JSA so much it showed time passage, it was the best of the best helping the next generation, I always thought it was unique and cool. Without the DC Trinity on the team it is hard for the JSA to be seen in that light, they seem to exist in the JLA's shadow the best of the also rans you know.
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04-25-2010, 04:55 PM | #15 |
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I think the JSA has a big presence in the DCU. They are respected by everyone. Looked up to by all. Trained most of the new generation (Wildcat trained Batman).
The JLA is the premier team, the JSA the legacy and the Titans the heroes-in-training. Having an entire line of books based on a seperate world would be extremely confusing if it was the same names.
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04-25-2010, 05:36 PM | #16 |
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I've really enjoyed JSA since Robinson/Johns brought them back. Although I still enjoy the JLA/JSA team-ups from yesteryear, billing them as the first super team, really seems natural to me. If you look back at the Barry Allen Flash stories, Barry Allen was inspired by the comic book character Jay Garrick, who actually existed on Earth-2 and some comic book writer was in tune with Earth-2 and was unknowingly writing about his adventures. Again, to me, it just seems more natural/simpler if Jay Garrick and the rest of the JSA had already existed and inspired the newer heroes.
As for the passage of time, I think showing the legacy heroes is excellent way to express this. As time marches on, I think it would be harder and harder to explain how these guys who fought in WW2 are still hanging on and keeping up with today's younger heroes without having to do a massive ret-con every couple of years. That being said, I also enjoy the older JSA stories of Earth-2 too, but I've come to appreciate and like the new incarnations more than the originals: Stargirl, Hourman, Liberty Belle (Jesse Quick), Atom Smasher and so on. So, if DC sacrificed these characters in favor of returning a more old-school team, I feel that would be a real shame. |
04-25-2010, 05:39 PM | #17 |
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Get a life buddy, this is a toy collecting site... (Dang Superhero comic book geeks) Lol couldnt resist this one.
I do prefer the regular non batman/catwoman huntress (main reason why i hated the birds of prey show..blech elseworlds usually)
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04-25-2010, 06:19 PM | #18 |
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I've really enjoyed JSA since Robinson/Johns brought them back. Although I still enjoy the JLA/JSA team-ups from yesteryear, billing them as the first super team, really seems natural to me. If you look back at the Barry Allen Flash stories, Barry Allen was inspired by the comic book character Jay Garrick, who actually existed on Earth-2 and some comic book writer was in tune with Earth-2 and was unknowingly writing about his adventures. Again, to me, it just seems more natural/simpler if Jay Garrick and the rest of the JSA had already existed and inspired the newer heroes.
As for the passage of time, I think showing the legacy heroes is excellent way to express this. As time marches on, I think it would be harder and harder to explain how these guys who fought in WW2 are still hanging on and keeping up with today's younger heroes without having to do a massive ret-con every couple of years. That being said, I also enjoy the older JSA stories of Earth-2 too, but I've come to appreciate and like the new incarnations more than the originals: Stargirl, Hourman, Liberty Belle (Jesse Quick), Atom Smasher and so on. So, if DC sacrificed these characters in favor of returning a more old-school team, I feel that would be a real shame. But your right the WW2 connection would certainly be a problem. Though I like the solution of Roy Thomas half a team with a out of time complex like Ultimate Captain America would be a little tiring.
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04-25-2010, 06:23 PM | #19 |
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Can't just take the JSA out of the picture now. And an E2 book wouldn't have Atom Smasher, new Hourman, etc.. since those characters were created out of events in the DCU that didn't occur on E2. An E2 book would be starting from scratch, from whatever arbitary point they decide to start it from and any connection to the wider DCU would need to be removed.
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04-26-2010, 12:12 AM | #20 |
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An E2 book would be starting from scratch, from whatever arbitary point they decide to start it from and any connection to the wider DCU would need to be removed.[/QUOTE] ..... yeah I guess....but one of the advantages to the similar histories of the multiple Earths I always saw was the ability to share what was useful for story telling and you could discard what wasn't. I see your very valid points, I just always thought alot of these characters fit/worked better on Earth 2, you know? Captain Marvel and the rest of the JSA should be viewed as the heavy hitters they are but they just don't seem to get that level on respect/credit.
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