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04-22-2010, 01:45 AM | #1 |
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so our kids here in california are getting ready for the big CST california standardized test.
it starts in 2nd grade. multiple choice, math and reading, 6 days long. it starts may 3rd. what do you all think about this sort of assessment and the teaching that grows around it? is this what you want for your children? are you happy? i think all states are doing something similar, no? (im trying to sound objective, really, i am looking at it objectively and asking for honest opinions.)
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04-22-2010, 02:04 AM | #2 |
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I'm from Texas and I took the TAAS, which became, TAKS, then TEKS, and I think it's going to be something else now. For me I had no problem with it. Teachers beat the importance of the test in our heads and in high school we had TAAS blitz where we studied for the test. I really think if a child fails it that they shouldn't be held back, but that teachers should be looked at more to see if they are doing there job. Thats just my take on standardized testing.
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04-22-2010, 02:13 AM | #3 |
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We have FCAT in Florida. Its ridiculous. Because in my opinion thats all they teach that year. They teach the curriculum that they think is going to be on that test, and they drill it into their brains because schools with low FCAT scores get in trouble.
I think here they do it first in 4th grade. Then I forget what the next year they do it is, and then they do it last in 10 grade and if you dont pass it you dont graduate. But its all they talk about "preparing for the FCAT" Its not like "hey kids learn everything and get good grades" its "pass this test so your teachers dont get in trouble"
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04-22-2010, 02:17 AM | #4 |
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well, the problem everywhere is that kids are taught to take THE test. They are not taught to reason things out and understand the concepts that allow any problem to be resolved.
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04-22-2010, 02:17 AM | #5 |
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i dont know what this means for you does it mean that you cannot do homeschooling? I thought tests were already in GA but i guess not that young, 2nd grade?
i think they should all be treated as very low bars, and then you can use them as guideposts, i think the tests could promote, and some times do promote, the lowest bar mentality for public school graduation, which is one reason we are so far behind the rest of the industrialized world in education, we have masses of people especially in overpopulated (((urban))) areas that can barely read but have a HS diploma from the public school system. parental involvement is required to make the best of the CST, and it is also required to get the most out of the public education system, urban suburban or rural, is the shortest answer. the happiest for me is home schooling with involvement in standardized testing, play groups, and graduation to a small classroom setting for a small part of the year, then build up college credits as soon as they can meet those requirements, and fill in that small part of the year with those classes, and this is the way to have a very smart kid that graduates early but also spent a lot of time with family learning fun subjects too that they enjoy like camping or farming skills. i dont believe any form of public or a government run school system or government testing should ever be compulsory but i think parents should be encouraged to show the child is being educated in some way. |
04-22-2010, 02:19 AM | #6 |
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Yes, as far as I know every state has these sorts of standardized tests. My boyfriend is a third grade teacher and he has real issues with them. The major issue public schools face with these types of tests are centered around funding. The test scores greatly influence the amount of federal and/or state dollars a specific school are allocated for the next year. It's basically like applying the free market/private business method to a public institution. The better the schools do on their tests, the more money they get. In theory it is designed to motivate the teachers to do their best so that the kids score higher on standardized tests and their school gets more funds, making teaching and learning that much easier. However, a problem arises when one considers the differences in what works best for each child. When he explains the structure of the tests and the importance of the scores for the school and it's district, you start to see how kids end up falling through the cracks. Poorer schools, which have always done the worst, are now getting funds based on test results, which makes teaching the kids that much more difficult. No child left behind ends up leaving a lot of them behind. Then, you have a school run by an administration that shifts the focus from teaching kids for the sake of teaching kids and ends up only concerning itself with test scores because faculty, staff, supplies, technology and resources are now on a merrit system. 200 kids, who all learn differently, are held to one standard and their ability to conform to it ends up dictating the number of teachers a school can afford to hire to teach them. When they do poorly and the school has to let 2 of their 25 teachers go, that doesn't help the kids. (Those are all just example numbers, I don't know how many teachers and students figure into your average public school) Another issue he raises all the time is the fact that there is no federal standard. The standards are different from one state to the next. It makes a new student from California that much more difficult to deal with when he or she moves to another state that suddenly has different standards that place them ahead of or behind the standard for that state. I think standardized testing is important to the child and preparing him or her for the real world, but basing the entire school's budget on so many different students is only hurting the kids.
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04-22-2010, 02:29 AM | #7 |
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We have FCAT in Florida. Its ridiculous. Because in my opinion thats all they teach that year. They teach the curriculum that they think is going to be on that test, and they drill it into their brains because schools with low FCAT scores get in trouble.
I think here they do it first in 4th grade. Then I forget what the next year they do it is, and then they do it last in 10 grade and if you dont pass it you dont graduate. But its all they talk about "preparing for the FCAT" Its not like "hey kids learn everything and get good grades" its "pass this test so your teachers dont get in trouble" I remember one of my teachers even going over an actual test with the actual questions and telling us what the answers were. It was a sizzling shambles.
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04-22-2010, 02:54 AM | #8 |
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wow great thoughts everyone!
once again BAT your ideas make a lot of sense to me... joseph, mix in a paragraph or two buddy. : )
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04-22-2010, 07:33 AM | #9 |
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i think they should all be treated as very low bars, and then you can use them as guideposts, i think the tests could promote, and some times do promote, the lowest bar mentality for public school graduation, which is one reason we are so far behind the rest of the industrialized world in education, we have masses of people especially in overpopulated (((urban))) areas that can barely read but have a HS diploma from the public school system.
On homeschooling, that isn't a realistic option for many families. Both parents work in many cases leaving little time for such ventures. Add to that if both parents work you really don't wanna leave your kids at home alone all day. Yeah it sounds bad but there is the "daycare" factor that allows for the adults to work and earn that money stuff to put food on the table. On standardized tests, I have the same problem mentioned above, the kids are taught how to take the test (out of fear of budget cuts should the kids not perform as well on those tests) and everything else is pretty much ignored. Making this worse is the fact that the tests take up SOOO much time the kids are not encouraged or helped or prepaired to go to college (a nessessity in this world now) so many of the few that do deside to go end up flunking out cause they weren't ready. My daughter has been encouraged heavily by me and my wife (thankfully) and we have done our best to prepair her. Nothing can really fully prepair anyone for that experence, but at least she has some of the tools she needs. |
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