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View Poll Results: What do you think should happen to Pete Rose? | |||
Pete Rose should be reinstated and enshrined in the Hall of Fame during his lifetime. | 64 | 65.31% | |
Pete Rose should be reinstated during his lifetime, but not enshrined in the Hall of Fame. | 1 | 1.02% | |
Pete Rose should be reinstated and enshrined into the Hall of Fame only after his death. | 2 | 2.04% | |
Pete Rose should be reinstated after his death, but never enshrined in the Hall of Fame. | 0 | 0% | |
Pete Rose should never be reinstated. | 14 | 14.29% | |
I really couldn't care less. | 17 | 17.35% | |
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09-04-2009, 01:05 AM | #81 |
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Then the issue is not the inclusion of this single player, only the stupidity of fake outrage and the politics of the "Hall of Fame". It's sort of the same thing I saw when I said I was a fan of Michael Jackson, and people would look at me like I had just fondled their nephew.
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09-04-2009, 01:11 AM | #82 |
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He did wrong. There's no denying that.
But the baseball people are upset because he broke Baseball's "cardinal sin". My personal feeling is that it's been 20 years. He didn't break any real laws, just the game laws. He's done his time.
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09-04-2009, 01:18 AM | #83 |
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But, I'm taking the confussion to the next level. What makes what he did wrong; more over, what makes what he did wrong in or out of baseball? But we agree on this much; what he did should not exclude him from the hall of fame. (especially since the hall is a huge bunch of bullshit to begin with)
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09-04-2009, 02:01 AM | #84 |
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But, what he did off the feild isn't my point. Did he or did he not perform to the standard that should or should not merrit his inclusion in the Hall? My subtle point is that the Hall itself is a whole lot of politics. Just like any self-agrandizing institution, it should at least follow the merrits it sets for itself. If the debate is over his performance on the field, then the debate is worthwhile. But, this debate isn't over his performance, only his behavior after the fact. Bill Clinton got a blow job in the oval office and the whole country acted like he'd raped their mother. It's just a lot of fake outrage over something that has nothing to do with the mans performace of his job. What it really is, when you get down to it, is the politification (if that's even a word) of morality. Morals didn't come from the bible and it certainly isn't a product of the individual.
nobody is arguing whether he is one of the best players of all time and is deserving of the HOF, just that he isn't eligible. that's not poliical, that's a rule established along with the HOF itself. to be in the HOF you have to be part of baseball. he isn't. |
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09-04-2009, 02:06 AM | #85 |
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But, I'm taking the confussion to the next level. What makes what he did wrong; more over, what makes what he did wrong in or out of baseball? But we agree on this much; what he did should not exclude him from the hall of fame. (especially since the hall is a huge bunch of bullshit to begin with)
you can assert you wish he was in, but there are rules that one must follow to qualify for teh HOF, and Pete Rose does not qualify for them based on his own conduct. to claim he should not be excluded is to say you don't believe in rules and enforcement of rules. he's not a child. he made these decisions as a conscious adult. if he is a victim in this matter, he is a victim of himself. when he is reinstated into baseball then yes, he deserves to be n. until that day, there is no logical argument to made that he should be in without saying the rules should not be followed. |
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09-04-2009, 03:29 AM | #86 |
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When he is reinstated? Reinstated? Sounds a lot like a waste of time to me. A whole lot of hoopla over something that means so little.
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09-04-2009, 11:50 AM | #87 |
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It's a good point but not really valid.
He bet on his team to win EVERY night. Why would he blow it all on one game and risk losing the other game? He had a standing bet on every game, no way would he go all out to win one night at the risk of the other nights. So in reality, by that logic, he was doing what he could to win everynight and each other after that since he had money on every game to win. However, if I lost some money the last few days and I want to win big then perhaps I bet a bit more on tonight's game and the Sox be damned. Here comes Mariano. You do not have to prove that exact scenario occurred. The scenario exists because Rose bet on baseball. It leaves nagging doubts to all concerned questioning the integrity of the outcomes of the game. On top of that there is a cardinal rule that all players are told upon entering the MLB. DO NOT BET ON THE GAME. It is all over the place and a rule that is pressed upon them on a daily basis as it is even posted prominently in most locker rooms. with reward there comes risk. Rose knew what he was doing. I do not feel sorry for him in the slightest. I tire of apologists all over in many walks of life claiming that once they are caught they deserve even more chances. Rose knew what he was getting into. He cannot look back once the sentence is carried out and say "Not fair, I thought the rules applied to everyone else but me." No Mr. Rose, the rules apply to you as well. |
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Also "Dowd told the program that Rose did not bet at all in the 1987 season when Mario Soto or Bill Gullickson pitched. He also said that Rose bet while he (Rose) was playing. " Rose admits to betting on Reds 'every night' - MLB - ESPN I love me some baseball. Magic number is now 22. Go Yankees. |
09-04-2009, 01:38 PM | #89 |
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But, what he did off the feild isn't my point. Did he or did he not perform to the standard that should or should not merrit his inclusion in the Hall? My subtle point is that the Hall itself is a whole lot of politics. Just like any self-agrandizing institution, it should at least follow the merrits it sets for itself. If the debate is over his performance on the field, then the debate is worthwhile. But, this debate isn't over his performance, only his behavior after the fact. Bill Clinton got a blow job in the oval office and the whole country acted like he'd raped their mother. It's just a lot of fake outrage over something that has nothing to do with the mans performace of his job. What it really is, when you get down to it, is the politification (if that's even a word) of morality. Morals didn't come from the bible and it certainly isn't a product of the individual.
As far as Clinton, the idea with Clinton was manipulated that it was about sex. Clinton was not charged with receiving oral sex. Clinton was charged with perjury. This is not a political discussion. This was the actual charge. Perjury is considered a serious crime as it violates the spirit of the judicial system. The courts have always considered perjury to fall under a "high crime and misdemeanor" and as such a reason to remove an official from office under the U.S. Constitution. I do not even think Clinton was a bad guy. BUt if you lie under oath and are caught prepare to face the consequences. I mean if I had to choose between remaining President or awaiting a lengthy divorce trial against Hillary upon leaving office... well, that is a no brainer... Hillary can go. He should have never chanced it and lied under oath. Meaning of "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" Last edited by Buzzetta; 09-04-2009 at 01:40 PM.. |
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I tire of apologists all over in many walks of life claiming that once they are caught they deserve even more chances. Rose knew what he was getting into. He cannot look back once the sentence is carried out and say "Not fair, I thought the rules applied to everyone else but me." No Mr. Rose, the rules apply to you as well. there are two criteria to get into the HOF. the absolute criteria that dictate rules to qualify, and the subjective criteria of performance. the absolute criteria is mandatory before your subjective achievements of performance can even be considered, not the other way around. the subjective is dependent on the absolute, and if you don't meet the criteria of the absolute, the subjective is irrelevant. anyone who is claiming he belongs in solely on the subjective has to ignore the actual process of the HOF and what it actually is. Joseph, particularly, doesn't seem to grasp that and want to confuse the issue with arguments of morality that aren't applicable and relevant to the reality of the situation. Last edited by gunslingercbr; 09-04-2009 at 01:52 PM.. |
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