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03-23-2021, 11:08 AM | #181 |
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I would counter the story of your Aunt with the response to The Last Jedi. People saw TLJ, most people didn't like it, and when the time came for that Solo movie to hit theaters, it lost money, because a large number of people decided not to go. Disney Lucasfilm responded, and seemingly tried to make ROS more like what they thought people wanted. And then, by all accounts, they wound up with a completely different set of giant mistakes and another lousy film. Quote:
Even if some of you feel she was unnecessarily "baited" by the transgender community, or by liberal extremists initially. That wasn't the end of it.
She then felt the need to weigh in on wearing masks (or not wearing them) and the pandemic. She then felt the need to weigh in on election security. Then came the Holocaust comments. It was one after another. Also, these weren't private conversations at the bar or in a private place with a friend that were somehow leaked to the public. She chose to post this stuff and make it public. But again, why should your views have to line up with your employers? Is it really ethical for an employer to force an employee to choose between silence and losing their job? And Pascal posted political posts repeatedly, including a bad Holocaust comparison, and still has his job. (And let's face it, it would be easier to replace him.) Also, no offense intended, but "the Holocaust comments" is a misleading way to put it. She shared someone else's post to her Instagram story, and that post was historically insensitive, even ignorant. But again, nothing different than what Liberals have been churning out for five or six years. Again, no offense intended, I just think that false narratives about what the actual post was have sprung up all over the media, and that bothers me. As far as the public nature of the posts, political signs in your own yard are public postings. Can you fire someone for having a political sign you disagree with? Quote:
Oh Lord, with the vaccine rollout going smooth, and the pandemic finally winding down, I'm not really looking to get into it with any...sigh....anit-maskers out there. But yeah, if you're on a hit TV show, you probably shouldn't post stuff that goes against what the CDC, the government, and most health professionals are saying. It's common sense. (and again, we're not talking about what you say and believe in your private personal life. We're talking about the messages you put forth in a public forum/on a public platform).
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People need to chill the fuck out and quit losing their shit about everything. People have been actively trying to get her fired for a while and I think the basis for that is a level a pettiness and mental fragility that isn’t justifiable to someone who considers themselves a sane, rational, or compassionate person.
With that, I think I'm gonna exit this thread. Politics aren't much fun to talk about on a forum, or anywhere for that matter. Last edited by SnowCat; 03-23-2021 at 11:13 AM.. |
03-23-2021, 12:40 PM | #182 |
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disney fired her. yes.
however. she's still an actress, and still can be employed as an actress. i really do not understand why this is such a difficult notion for literally everyone else who's upset about her losing a cushy gig she fucked up by running her fucking dumb as shit mouth after being told multiple times by her employer to do so. |
03-23-2021, 02:11 PM | #183 |
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who cares. it's not like anyone else is making an effort to fucking hide theirs will their cognitive dissonance.
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03-23-2021, 04:34 PM | #184 |
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The thing that makes me think otherwise is that some Disney employees have been involved with this type of hate-mongering mob before. This type of mindset has shown itself within companies before, look at what Bari Weiss ran into at the NYT (And she's a liberal). And several media organizations have tried repeatedly to paint people and websites that don't like certain movies as "alt-right", regardless of what their actual content looks like.
That is a great quote. Sadly, the group of people who equate words with violence don't understand that. I would counter the story of your Aunt with the response to The Last Jedi. People saw TLJ, most people didn't like it, and when the time came for that Solo movie to hit theaters, it lost money, because a large number of people decided not to go. Disney Lucasfilm responded, and seemingly tried to make ROS more like what they thought people wanted. And then, by all accounts, they wound up with a completely different set of giant mistakes and another lousy film. But again, why should your views have to line up with your employers? Is it really ethical for an employer to force an employee to choose between silence and losing their job? And Pascal posted political posts repeatedly, including a bad Holocaust comparison, and still has his job. (And let's face it, it would be easier to replace him.) Also, no offense intended, but "the Holocaust comments" is a misleading way to put it. She shared someone else's post to her Instagram story, and that post was historically insensitive, even ignorant. But again, nothing different than what Liberals have been churning out for five or six years. Again, no offense intended, I just think that false narratives about what the actual post was have sprung up all over the media, and that bothers me. As far as the public nature of the posts, political signs in your own yard are public postings. Can you fire someone for having a political sign you disagree with? Aren't those the same experts that said Cuomo was doing a good job? Also, their recommendations have changed all the time, sometimes just based on whim, apparently. And some of their predictions have shown to be inaccurate. But I don't want to get into that debate. I'm just saying that the constitution guarantees the right of every citizen to disagree with the government, to paraphrase Hawk. Yep, well said. With that, I think I'm gonna exit this thread. Politics aren't much fun to talk about on a forum, or anywhere for that matter. Your personal views shouldn't have to line up with your employers.....but in reality you would be wise to keep them personal. Go into a job interview with a company that has an opposite political point of view than yours. Run your mouth about your beliefs in that job interview, and then see if you get that job. As for the political yard sign comment. Fun little tidbit: My coworkers husband is a sheriff's deputy. His supervisor took it upon HIMSELF to go and place a political sign in each of his deputy's yards, without asking. "I'm just saying that the constitution guarantees the right of every citizen to disagree with the government" ..... Just pointing out one more time that she is not in prison for her words.
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03-24-2021, 08:00 AM | #185 |
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03-24-2021, 09:39 PM | #186 |
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Your personal views shouldn't have to line up with your employers.....but in reality you would be wise to keep them personal. Go into a job interview with a company that has an opposite political point of view than yours. Run your mouth about your beliefs in that job interview, and then see if you get that job.
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Quick history lesson. Back in the 50's, during peak McCarthyism, several Hollywood writers were blacklisted because they were suspected of being communists. Point is, they were still writers, but no one would hire them because of their politics. Was that the right thing to do? Not yet. Google Robert Hoogland. He is currently in jail in Canada for speaking out against his 14 year old daughter's gender transition. But hey, don't worry. I'm sure that could never happen in the US. |
03-24-2021, 10:09 PM | #187 |
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03-24-2021, 11:46 PM | #188 |
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Okay, one more post.
That's an imperfect analogy, though, because this was not a work thing. It wasn't during an interview to promote the Mandalorian. She didn't stage any sort of political demonstration on set. All she's done is post her own views on her own social media. It's more like if someone has a sign in their own yard (returning to this analogy, because it's a good one) and one of their boss's annoying friends drives by, sees that sign, and convinces the employee's boss that they should fire the employee, no matter how good a job that employee does, just because they both don't agree with that employee's politics. Not sure how another example of an employer abusing power changes anything. Quick history lesson. Back in the 50's, during peak McCarthyism, several Hollywood writers were blacklisted because they were suspected of being communists. Point is, they were still writers, but no one would hire them because of their politics. Was that the right thing to do? Not yet. Google Robert Hoogland. He is currently in jail in Canada for speaking out against his 14 year old daughter's gender transition. But hey, don't worry. I'm sure that could never happen in the US. The sign analogy only really works if it's a billboard sign on a busy highway, or if she puts up signs in front of like half a million houses. Because she has a ton of followers. Because, if you're famous, the whole "twitter/ Facebook is your own personal thing" argument isn't really true unless you have strict privacy settings applied. Generally, if you're famous, your social media account is your brand.
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03-25-2021, 09:02 AM | #189 |
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i googled robert hoogland.
he was jailed because he was ORDERED BY THE COURT to quit being an asshole and stop running his mouth about his daughter's transition. he didnt. gina was TOLD BY DISNEY NUMEROUS TIMES to quit being an asshole and stop running her mouth. she didnt. they both suffered the consequences of their actions. im well aware of mccarthyism. conservatives are STILL ACTING in hollywood. they arent blacklisted. tim allen is still getting work at disney. there are lists all over the internet "BET YOU DIDNT KNOW THIS ACTOR/ACTRESS IS REPUBLICAN!" "BET YOU DIDNT KNOW THIS ACTOR/ACTRESS IS A TRUMP VOTER!" and there are TONS. |
03-25-2021, 09:11 AM | #190 |
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Bottom line is though while we as a country claim to have free speech, we do not. Speech is only free when it is politically correct (and yeah politically is hardly ever correct anymore regardless of side). Sure you can say what you want, but there are always consequences. That is all. I agree with pretty much all points made by everyone from a certain point of view.
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