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07-31-2009, 08:46 PM | #121 |
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let's say for example: You watch ROC and are so disgusted by it, that you don't want them to make more. However the movie and merchandise does so well that they keep making more movies until the 3rd one just completely destroys what you have such a passion for. Is that going to be worth it?
So yes, even if I hate RoC and it does huge and brings Joe back to the forefront of the toy aisles again and they keep making movies every 2 years, I'll be fine with that. Because I care more about the brand growing and being around for the next 25 years then I do about my particular vision of it. I'd rather have it be around, in a different form, then I would have it die out. Besides, I love the new toys, so even if I don't like the movie, that has no bearing on the toys themselves. I'll still be buying 'em the same way I am now (the ones I want) even if I don't ever go see any sequals. A movie cannot destroy my memories. How can it? It's not going to come and burn my comic collection, destroy the copies of the cartoon I have, step on and take a baseball bat to my collection. All the things that made me love ARAH are still there and still the exact same as they were last week, last month, last year, next week, next month and 30 years from now. I would love to be able to be at Joe's 75th anniversary (hoping I'm stil alive) and debating the merits of ARAH Duke vs RoC Duke vs New Duke with me, my son and my grandson.
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07-31-2009, 08:48 PM | #122 |
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let's say for example: You watch ROC and are so disgusted by it, that you don't want them to make more. However the movie and merchandise does so well that they keep making more movies until the 3rd one just completely destroys what you have such a passion for. Is that going to be worth it? Are you going to be satisfied? Are you going to be happy knowing that they will most likely never revive the franchise that you grew up loving? Good example of what to do is the Spiderman movies. Have they followed everything exactley? No. Have they kept the hardcore fans happy? Yes. Are you excited for the 4th and 5th? I dunno but I am.
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07-31-2009, 08:50 PM | #123 |
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What's acceptable canon? The comic? The filecards? The cartoon?
The ARAH had 3 versions of Joe going on at the same time. Yes, they were pretty similar, but there were differences between them. I think every single 'Tanker probably has their own definition of what they consider their canon. What combination of the 3 makes acceptable canon? To someone that was cartoon only, the whole SE/SS aspect of Resolute is as big a change as CC/Baroness being brother/sister.
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07-31-2009, 08:51 PM | #124 |
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My love and passion for ARAH can't be destroyed by something that is going on now. It's not even affected. How can it? That was something that came about from playing with the toys, which I can still buy from EBay, 20+ years ago.
So yes, even if I hate RoC and it does huge and brings Joe back to the forefront of the toy aisles again and they keep making movies every 2 years, I'll be fine with that. Because I care more about the brand growing and being around for the next 25 years then I do about my particular vision of it. I'd rather have it be around, in a different form, then I would have it die out. Besides, I love the new toys, so even if I don't like the movie, that has no bearing on the toys themselves. I'll still be buying 'em the same way I am now (the ones I want) even if I don't ever go see any sequals. A movie cannot destroy my memories. How can it? It's not going to come and burn my comic collection, destroy the copies of the cartoon I have, step on and take a baseball bat to my collection. All the things that made me love ARAH are still there and still the exact same as they were last week, last month, last year, next week, next month and 30 years from now. I would love to be able to be at Joe's 75th anniversary (hoping I'm stil alive) and debating the merits of ARAH Duke vs RoC Duke vs New Duke with me, my son and my grandson. |
07-31-2009, 08:53 PM | #125 |
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If there is something there for you, no matter how miniscule, then the line, franchise (or whatever) lives on.
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07-31-2009, 08:56 PM | #126 |
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let's say for example: You watch ROC and are so disgusted by it, that you don't want them to make more. However the movie and merchandise does so well that they keep making more movies until the 3rd one just completely destroys what you have such a passion for. Is that going to be worth it? Are you going to be satisfied? Are you going to be happy knowing that they will most likely never revive the franchise that you grew up loving? Good example of what to do is the Spiderman movies. Have they followed everything exactley? No. Have they kept the hardcore fans happy? Yes. Are you excited for the 4th and 5th? I dunno but I am.
and you aren't talking about how the brand should just be catered to you? you are saying straight out if you don't like the movie you don't want them to make another just because, what, you don't like it. |
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07-31-2009, 08:58 PM | #127 |
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It will always live on but in the end the hardcore sector will keep screaming "it will destroy ARAH" or "It will rewrite ARAH" when they damn well know that ARAH will live on no matter what the outcome is, it happened with Sgt Savage, Extreme, Valor vs Venom, Spy Troops and Sigma 6. |
07-31-2009, 09:01 PM | #128 |
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Now hang on a sec...Making Millions of dollars is all fine and dandy but it's short lived, if they had continued to maintain the quality in the toyline from the 80's they would have made billions of dollars. Settling for millions and having no choice but to re-envision your line every 3-4 years is still a FAIL in my book.
Now as far as the movie goes, I didnt like the first one and I was fooled into thinking I would so when the second came out I was not spending a dime to see it. Although I am sure it made lots of money it's opening week, the revenue dropped drastically because there was not enough repeat biz. I saw Star Wars 5-8 times in the theater...how many people can you say saw TF2 more than once? And I do vote with my dollars. TF2 got no love from me...and I was not alone. First of all, how can you guarantee that Hasbro would be making "billions" of dollars by selling the same type of Transformers figures nowadays that were around in the 80's? You can't. That is nothing but pure speculation on your part, plain and simple. You're guessing, not stating fact...you should point that out so you can be seen as legit. Also, what financial figures are you looking at to say this about Transformers 2, "I am sure it made lots of money it's opening week, the revenue dropped drastically because there was not enough repeat biz." The movie was the #1 film for two weeks and it is the highest grossing film of 2009 (and passed it's previous movie in money earned). Again, you just made an off the cuff remark with having done absolutely no research whatsoever. Stop using your opinions as "fact" and people will be more willing to take you seriously.
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07-31-2009, 09:08 PM | #129 |
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It will always live on but in the end the hardcore sector will keep screaming "it will destroy ARAH" or "It will rewrite ARAH" when they damn well know that ARAH will live on no matter what the outcome is, it happened with Sgt Savage, Extreme, Valor vs Venom, Spy Troops and Sigma 6.
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07-31-2009, 09:22 PM | #130 |
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The way I look at it is this: There is 2 types of people. First type is the "bandwagon" fan. The fan who likes anything that involves there favorite brand whether it's GI JOE, X-MEN, HULK, TMNT, SUPERMAN etc. These are the people who will defend every piece of shit that is ever put out. These are the people who buy every toy line, buys every shitting movie based video game because it has Wolverine on the cover and these are the people who just settle for whatever they make because they feel it's better than nothing.
The 2nd type is a "hardcore" fan. These type of fans love the original work of there favorite brand. These are the people who would rather re-read 20 year old comics rather than read newer "more hip" and "more up to date material". These are the people who enjoy what first got them to love there brand. These people also accept updates and revisions of there brand when there brand has been treated with respect and remained loyal to the original material. These people tend to be more realistic in what is good and what isn't. A simplier way to classify it would be to use a sports analogy. You have your "hardcore" fans who will follow there team year in and year out. They don't care if there team is 4-12 and stink the place up. They will go down with the ship and still love and respect there team. They know that one day they will return to glory and it will be AWESOME! Then you have your "bandwagon" fans who just go from superbowl winning team to playoff contenders to just whatever is popular at the time. Unfortunally for me, there is way more "bandwagon" fans then "hardcore" fans. Everyone is about making money. They don't care if there following the canon that made the series great. They don't care if a black guy is playing a white guy. They don't care that CC and Baroness aren't suppose to be related. They don't care that SS is suppose to have integrity. They know that all they have to do is get a few things right in the movie, put the brand name on it and millions of idiots will flock to it and buy crappy video games, average toys, silly merchandise and settle for the age old comment of: "at least they made something with (insert brand) involved. It's better than nothing! Quote:
hardcore fans can accept change and embrace it with no problem. A perfect example is resolute. It's very different then the canon material. They changed the SE/SS history. They made Duke and Scarlett a couple. They killed some longtime favorite's. Hell they even made Ripcord black and made Dial Tone a woman. The difference is, they still respected the canon material enough that the hardcore fans loved it.
I would consider myself 'hardcore' because I have all my original O-ring Joe from the 80s (unlike a lot of the capital F fans that love 25th here at the HissTank, it sometime seems). I dought the Flagg and Defiant in college, I get 12 inch figures (getting both convention sets this year) and I buy lines I do not like (Extreme, Sigma Six, and Sgt Savage) when they end and hit clearance. To you this makes me one of the "millions of idiots"? As for Resolute, I did not like it. I still have not gotten around to watching the final two parts. I know a lot of people did like it and I am happy for them. As for a cannon, that would be the toys. The comic and cartoon, which were very different from each other, were based on/inspired by the toy. Right now the tail might be wagging the dog quite a bit, but it still starts with the toy. All the Snake Eyes, Storm Shadow, Scarlette and Duke stuff people love to cite are not in the original file cards. Not trying to jump on you, Monkeywrench, just do not aagree with what you have writen. This is a fun thread (and a little off topic now). Kevin |
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