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01-05-2009, 05:32 PM | #171 |
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I'm not sure what's funnier, "code Geoffery" or "people who steal do dress like this".
I think "society" is a lot more accepting of alternative clothing/tatoos/piercings than you may think. & while it still may not be considered the "norm", & while whatever one does with their appearance may bring about different reactions from people from good to bad, it still does not warrant an automatic "Shoplifter!" or even the statement of "people who steal do dress like this". Guess what? People who steal dress in suits as well(& usually for a lot more money than your GI Joes!) Instead of stereotyping people based on how someone dresses or looks, try taking the more difficult path of treating them how you'd like to be treated yourself & not perpetuating ignorant stereotypes. Last edited by Noizeindex; 01-05-2009 at 06:11 PM.. |
01-05-2009, 06:03 PM | #172 |
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I am not sure why you ask these questions, maybe it is to lead me into making a off color remark, or to make me explain in detail how our society works, but either way it is societys point of view that ppl who get lots of tattooes, wear dirty clothes, punk rock attire and generally live a "punk rock" lifestyle are not of the "normal" mainstream , lets just face it, most real punk rockers have a skewed sense of the "anarchy concept" damn the man ect.. so it lowers thier moral stand point on things like shoplifting , stealing ect. also most real punk rockers are not wealthy (I have never seen one on forbes) so that being saidit is more likely they will shoplift. as for seedy it is not really that difficult to spot out the seedy element a better definition ..... " seamy: morally degraded; "a seedy district"; "the seamy side of life"; "sleazy" so if a 25 yr old man came into my store with torn jeans,metalica shirt, long hair, and old dirty sneakers and acting like he was suspect I would treat him the same as a 15 yr old skater kid who appeared to have money, or a 20 yr old punk rocker with tattoes up and down, because they all fit a profile that they are both likely to steal, be it for different reasons, I am not saying because you dress this way you are a thief, what I am saying is ppl who steal do dress like this......... So my question is why bow down to those who would discriminate against people for the way they choose to dress? If more people thought like that the civil rights movement would have acoplished nothing. Jesus man I'm from Alabama, and I assume You are from California..I shoulden't have to explain this stuff to You. Do You even listen to what You are saying? Also...You live in California, and have never met a rich punk rocker? You know Jello Biafra lives in San Fran, and He drives a fucking Jaguar. Last edited by delta; 01-05-2009 at 06:05 PM.. |
01-05-2009, 06:55 PM | #173 |
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to answer your question,yes I live in ca. and no I have never met a rich punk rocker, as a matter of fact , that kind of thinking is stereotypical! ( I live in ca so I must know jay leno and hang out w/ kat von d, party w/ paris hilton and go to night clubs w/jesse james! oh and I surf constantly!) I first of all do not think it is discrimination, it is profiling, an applied social science that works to a degree,
IF I WERE TO SAY THE FOLLOWING 1.in ca. most gang bangers are of mexican american or african american descent 2. in ca. most drunk driving is done by mexican american 3. in ca most fatal shootings are done by mexican american and african americans now is that racist or is that fact? if I am white and I state a fact is it racist to do so? as for your bow down theory, in all actuality we "bow down" on a regular basis, when you want to keep your job, you bow down and dress as they wish you ,act as they wish and do as they wish! it is how our current society works, you can try and buck the system all you want but you cannot change a mindset, you my friend are my shining example!, ppl are set in their ways , they believe that curb creatures have tattooes so most who have tattooes are curb creatures, that is the math, dress how you like, act how you like , but be prepared to pay for it! |
01-05-2009, 07:06 PM | #174 |
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I've dressed how I liked, and paid for it. But I've also changed the minds of people that once would have judged me for it. I've managed to do quite well.
It is true that we all pretty much bow down to what is necessary to get by. But if you don't try to push back a little bit once in a while, nothing will ever change. I wish I could say that I dress the way I do for attention but I don't. I feel the most comfortable this way. I've had short hair and it really bothers me. I hate having a tucked in shirt. I can't wear a tie. But then again I have the luxury of having a job that doesn't require any of this, yet is still a professional job. But if that were to change one day, I would probably have to just adjust to tucked in shirts, ties and telling that voice in my head to shut the hell up and let me get some work done and not be so worried about my shirt... |
01-05-2009, 07:08 PM | #175 |
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I have worked retail, I have worked LP. In my experience anyone who wants to steal something is going to draw the least amount of attention to them as possible. makes sense right? If I was gonna loot the place I wouldn't go in there advertising "look at me, your parents think I am a scumbag, and based on popular misconceptions of subcultures I probably do drugs, kill small animals, worship the devil, and STEAL TOYS!!!" of which I do none of these things, but it is what it is. oh and I am a punk rocker, and the thing about punk rockers are that a lot of them are rich....in what really counts.
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01-05-2009, 07:24 PM | #176 |
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boba and I have our differences of opinion in other matters, but I 100% agree with his point of view here.
The simple fact of the matter is that people who dress “punk”, or in any other way that violates social norms does so intentionally to be different (the fact that they gravitate to an entirely different set of norms and social values notwithstanding). Any sociology professor can tell you that statistically, those likely to break one set of social norms (wearing “regular clothing”), are just as likely to break the rest of the same society’s cultural norms and expected behaviors. Hence, like it or not, those individuals are more likely to engage in deviant (as in “against the norm”) behavior such as shoplifting or destruction of property. It has nothing to do with stereotypes; it has to do with deviant social behaviors going hand in hand. That being said, the stereotype likely developed as a result of those deviant behaviors. At any rate, I personally agree we shouldn’t judge books by their covers. The truth of the matter though, is that society by and large does just that. If you’re going to engage in deviant behavior (Again, “against the norm”, not perverse or wrong necessarily) such as dressing “punk”, you should expect to bear the consequences of those actions. Saying “it’s not fair” is really kind of ridiculous. There’s an expected cultural norm, and you chose to break it. I think it’s unfair of anyone to expect anything else. You made the choice to be counter-cultural, deal with it. I do.
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01-05-2009, 07:25 PM | #177 |
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01-05-2009, 07:27 PM | #178 |
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Really?
I'd say people like Dr. Martin Luther King, and John Lennon changed quite a few mind sets. They didn't "conform to the norm" and the world is a better place because of it. ALSO: HAHA! I get out more in California than You do, and I don't even live there |
01-05-2009, 07:42 PM | #179 |
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this brings up a realllly good point.
I have worked retail, I have worked LP. In my experience anyone who wants to steal something is going to draw the least amount of attention to them as possible. makes sense right? If I was gonna loot the place I wouldn't go in there advertising "look at me, your parents think I am a scumbag, and based on popular misconceptions of subcultures I probably do drugs, kill small animals, worship the devil, and STEAL TOYS!!!" of which I do none of these things, but it is what it is. oh and I am a punk rocker, and the thing about punk rockers are that a lot of them are rich....in what really counts. Douchebags. That TRU is the LAST business in town that needs to be running off loyal customers. Dead ass store that it is.
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01-05-2009, 07:47 PM | #180 |
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I don't really ask toys 'r us employees to "welcome me with open arms (I'm not liberating Paris...again) I just ask not to be discriminated against openly. I cant stop peple from thinking what they want, but when you step over my line, i have a problem. Also, no, my tattoos and piercings are not about attention. They're there to make me feel better about myself, to let me make decisions about my body (which, yes, I have some issues with, but thats far too complex and personal to explain here) and by putting my artwork and a few pieces of metal in me, I've altered my body to a degree that it looks more like how I want it to. It's about self esteem, and (for me) being able to hold my head up high and say that I'm not ashamed of my body anymore.
On a side note: Delta, I'm pretty much on the same page with you, man. Cool to see a kindred spirit.
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