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12-02-2011, 03:34 PM | #11 |
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You might try labeling her gifts "from mom and dad" and see if she notices a difference.
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12-02-2011, 03:36 PM | #12 |
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My daughter, who is 7, fully believes in Santa and all other fictional holiday characters. Even that bloody Elf on the Shelf. She cherishes gifts from these characters. The innocence she has to believe and hold dearly to those gifts is something I hope she'll never loose. But one day it will happen and I think your on the verge.
Christmas is such a magical time for the child in all of us it is a shame when the reality enters into it. If I were in your shoes (which I'll be in a few years) I'd wait it out and see how it unfolds. If she questions Santa, turn it around on her and ask her why she believes. Allow her to examine her belief so your not feeding her lines and develop guilt over perpetrating the "lie". |
12-02-2011, 05:27 PM | #13 |
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I feel for you. My son is 8 and never went for the tooth fairy with him I just bought his teeth and he thought that was cool. Santa is more of a Christmas symbol to him. He loves the idea and cartoons but does not really believe that he is still around after ALL these years. It was his personal growth with nothing forced. I do not believe in forcing issues to crush kids.
I use to believe adults knew everything.....I was pissed to grow up and learn they just wing it and dont know much more than kids..... |
12-02-2011, 05:33 PM | #14 |
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Eight-year-old Virginia O'Hanlon wrote a letter to the editor of New York's Sun, and the quick response was printed as an unsigned editorial Sept. 21, 1897. The work of veteran newsman Francis Pharcellus Church has since become history's most reprinted newspaper editorial, appearing in part or whole in dozens of languages in books, movies, and other editorials, and on posters and stamps.
"DEAR EDITOR: I am 8 years old. "Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus. "Papa says, 'If you see it in THE SUN it's so.' "Please tell me the truth; is there a Santa Claus? "VIRGINIA O'HANLON. "115 WEST NINETY-FIFTH STREET." VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except [what] they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge. Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished. Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world. You may tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding. No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood. I reread it every year.
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12-02-2011, 05:42 PM | #15 |
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Eight-year-old Virginia O'Hanlon wrote a letter to the editor of New York's Sun, and the quick response was printed as an unsigned editorial Sept. 21, 1897. The work of veteran newsman Francis Pharcellus Church has since become history's most reprinted newspaper editorial, appearing in part or whole in dozens of languages in books, movies, and other editorials, and on posters and stamps.
"DEAR EDITOR: I am 8 years old. "Some of my little friends say there is no Santa Claus. "Papa says, 'If you see it in THE SUN it's so.' "Please tell me the truth; is there a Santa Claus? "VIRGINIA O'HANLON. "115 WEST NINETY-FIFTH STREET." VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except [what] they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men's or children's, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge. Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished. Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that's no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world. You may tear apart the baby's rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding. No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood. I reread it every year.
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12-02-2011, 06:24 PM | #16 |
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Yes, you tell her. If she were 7 or 8, that's one thing, but she's 11, so I think that's too old. Why do I think you should tell her?
While I truly believe children should be allowed to be children and that kids do in fact grow up too fast - especially girls - I think at that point in time, it could be seen as cruel because your daughter can and will be ridiculed in school. School can be harsh and things that happen to someone in school can label them and stick with them for the rest of their life. Imagine if she got labelled as being stupid? She won't ever live that down. While you can't control most things about the world (eg: what other people think of your child), you can at least help shape the perception your child has of the rest of the world. There's nothing wrong in gently suggesting that it was make believe and everyone was just having fun. That it's okay to enjoy in the little exaggerations of custom but at the same time know certain things aren't real. As far as "lies" go, this is pretty harmless. you might be overanalysing things. An actually harmful lie would be telling your kid the world is less than 10,000 years old. Now that is straight up bullshit. For the record: I don't have kids. It's just what I believe and how my parents handled things, and I turned out fine. |
12-02-2011, 06:29 PM | #17 |
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Tell her the truth, her presents come from a 2,000 year old infant.
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12-02-2011, 06:36 PM | #18 |
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being serious...
my boys are 15/10 and i would say up until last year, they both still believed... and honestly, the 10 year old still does... i make x-mas very special, its my favorite time of year... as much as i comne accross as an a$$hole here? giving and seeing someones eyes light up truely makes me happy... we always told our boys (in a nice way) that when you stop believing. santa stops comming, so mabye we scarred them into believing this long
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no clue, i don't know how i would handle this, actually. i think i might just tell my kid when he's two. so i don't have to worry about him being upset. but that takes the fun out of christmas. i have no idea. i'm not having kids fuck it, i'm just gonna be a slut..
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12-02-2011, 07:35 PM | #20 |
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first off, i see nothing wrong with letting kids believe in santa for as long as they will. at her age im sure she has her doubts and maybe AFTER this Christmas you could let her in on it. do you have a younger kid? it might be fun for her to "be in on the secret" with you for the younger one(s). it might be better to have your wife tell her the truth. she might cry, my cousins kids did but they get over it...we all did at some point.
i have a slightly different dilemna with my boy who truned 4 in oct. we got the 'elf on a shelf' book and i read it to him last night. i explained how the elf watches him and i told him about being good and how santa knows, etc. last night before bed when i was putting him to bed and we were in the bathroom for him to potty and poop. he sat on the toilet and tried to poop but didnt have to go. he called me in the bathroom and started to cry because i think he was afraid i would tell santa he didnt poop and he wouldnt get any toys. i felt pretty bad for him. we didnt put the elf out. |
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