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09-19-2011, 12:05 AM | #21 |
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This We can all say what we want about Floyd, but from the time I started watching boxing from a kid until now. I've always heard each referee at the beginning of every fight tell both fighters "Gentlemen protect yourself at all times". This is the fundamental rule for every boxer anytime they enter the ring. Cortez wasn't watching but even with that being the case. He is quoted as saying that "Floyd didn't do anything wrong". So there it is even Cortez couldn't really find a fault with what he did even though it looked shady but thems da rulez. Also I really find it interesting when people say Floyd is scared of Pacquiao, because he knows he can't beat him. Manny just needs to agree to the damn drug test because that's what Floyd is holding unto as his main reason for not taking the fight. If Ortiz could agree to it Manny should as well. So maybe Floyd is scared of Manny or maybe Manny has something to hide. I don't really know. I like them both as fighters but, I like many others want to see them get it on. One things for sure though If Floyd beats Manny a lot of people are gonna be pissed. |
09-19-2011, 12:58 AM | #22 |
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I wish the Big Show would have thrown him over his lackies so that he smashed into the concrete floor and broke everything in his body when he had the chance.
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09-19-2011, 02:14 AM | #23 |
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Let me put it this way.
First of all that whole tihng was hilarious. Second of all its a shame it went down that way because the fight was actually interesting (my take is PBF would win bout 8-4, 7-5 but it would be another Hernandez or Castillo affair and that would raise Ortiz stock). Thirdly, Ortiz has nobody but himself to blame (which is why he was smiling about it). Mayweather is an arrogant jerk (its sad that he has to resort to this and HE DOES have to resort to it) because that is the only way people who don't care about boxing can appreciate his skill. The average armchair fan really doesn't care how much skill and talent, and hard work went into making and keep going into making a boxer that talented. Believe me cause i interviewed many legendary boxers and wrote about this sport for about 5 years. however, being an arrogant jerk doesn't change the fact that Ortiz panicked when he made the illegal blow and fell apart almost instantly. I always said that if you foul, you foul and keep fighting, you have to because showing weakness like Ortiz did will just cost you the fight. As for the incident, look aside from busting Mayweather's mouth (watch as the cutman swabs at it afterwards) he then kisses and hugs Floyd as if a. the fight is over b. they are friends and sparring partners. Mayweather was already mad and that pissed him off more and even at that he did not retaliate. Ortiz after the ref took the point and brought them ring center to fight started hugging him with his hands down, and Mayweather, who as a consummate professional didn't want the "ceremony of apology as Merchant called it get in the way of his focus. HE ACKNOWLEDGED ORTIZ as he apologized but made the sign that he wanted to fight. Ortiz even said as much in the post fight presser. This meant Ortiz should have gotten his hands up immediately. He stepped back with hands down against a fighter who wanted to fight and it was NOT a break. Where did they say that? A break happens and the fighters are put in neutral corners to prevent this. Why were they dead ring center after the point deduction (where mayweather was already in the neutral corner)? It was fight time and Ortiz messed up. I don't like Cortez (he counts fast and gets influenced by bs complaints before the fight. Jay Nady, Steve Smoger, Tony Weeks, and the other black ref-forgot his name- are the tops. Randy Neumann is a fat lazy bum who will let all sorts of illegal shots get in the way) But he did nothing wrong here. Ortiz messed up and he knows it. Its just a shame they will have a rematch to put an exclam on this and it will be on PPV again (though Ortiz will make less money this time around).
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09-19-2011, 02:17 AM | #24 |
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as for Merchant. Fans actually like him because he is a side show. he drinks and makes armchair comments. mayweather is right he doesn't know boxing even if he has commented on it for a long time. However, he didn't ask anything wrong of Mayweather the fans felt it was cheap (even though it wasn't). Mayweather was just upset they didn't let him promote himself insteadd of answering legit interview questions.
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09-19-2011, 02:20 AM | #25 |
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Boxing has 6 different titles over 15 weight classes so there are literally 90 belts up for grabs. That is a huge reason why boxing has lost fans, nobody knows who any of the champs are. As you said, in the 90s you had some of the best heavyweights we've ever seen. We got the fights we wanted (Tyson vs Holyfield is what most probably remember). But now nobody wants to fight someone they think can beat them. Manny and Floyd both take fights just to say they are winning fights. They need to fight and get it over with.
I'm a huge fan of the UFC. I started watching in about 99 (before most had ever heard of it). I liked it because it was fast paced and was so much more exciting than boxing. I loved watching people like Royce Gracie fight people 100 pounds heavier and still come out on top. What I love now is you get the fights you want. Dana White had even said that if GSP wins his next fight that we will get the super fight between Anderson Silva and GSP. In the UFC you are told who you fight and you can tell Dana who you want to fight. There is no dodging fights. Either fight the best or don't fight at all. Probably the best moment was about a year ago when Anderson Silva win a fight but was dancing and screwing sounds the whole fight. Dana White told him that if he did that again, he would lose his title and have to work his way back up because that's not what the fans pay for. That shows me that Dana White knows what people want to see. And that is why UFC has passed boxing. They listen to the fans. Plus in UFC they have bonuses for fight of the night, submission of the night and KO of the night. UFC fighters aren't guaranteed 25 million win or lose so they want those bonuses and that equals more excitement. Boxing has a lot of issues but the biggest is not giving the fans what they want.
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09-19-2011, 02:23 AM | #26 |
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so they would do it in a second. Oh and of course the reason i mention roy jones is because he was the guy before Mayweather. mayweather isn't a God to them and htey would DQ. however, here the ref didn't call a break. Ortiz messed up. It happens that the ref makes a move to step in or says something but that isn't necessarily a break.
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09-19-2011, 08:54 AM | #27 |
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This We can all say what we want about Floyd, but from the time I started watching boxing from a kid until now. I've always heard each referee at the beginning of every fight tell both fighters "Gentlemen protect yourself at all times". This is the fundamental rule for every boxer anytime they enter the ring. Cortez wasn't watching but even with that being the case. He is quoted as saying that "Floyd didn't do anything wrong". So there it is even Cortez couldn't really find a fault with what he did even though it looked shady but thems da rulez. Also I really find it interesting when people say Floyd is scared of Pacquiao, because he knows he can't beat him. Manny just needs to agree to the damn drug test because that's what Floyd is holding unto as his main reason for not taking the fight. If Ortiz could agree to it Manny should as well. . I understand the ” protect yourself at all times” line. Problem is that is referring to fight time. It's not limited to just in the ring. Just like when Ortiz head butted Mayweather nobody said ” well you have to protect yourself at all times”. It was a dirty headbutt. As for the drug test, the problem was Paquiao agreed to the drug testing Mayweather used in all his fights. But then Mayweather wanted a new drug test given, one in which Paquiao would give blood before the fight. Manny said he would agree to the testing but wanted to give blood after the fight. Makes sense to me. Why would you give blood before a fight? That'd going to drain some of your energy. It's not like Manny can test dirty before the fight and clean after the fight. It's just another way of Floyd ducking the right but trying to look like he's trying. Quote:
Thirdly, Ortiz has nobody but himself to blame (which is why he was smiling about it).
Mayweather is an arrogant jerk (its sad that he has to resort to this and HE DOES have to resort to it) because that is the only way people who don't care about boxing can appreciate his skill. The average armchair fan really doesn't care how much skill and talent, and hard work went into making and keep going into making a boxer that talented. Believe me cause i interviewed many legendary boxers and wrote about this sport for about 5 years. however, being an arrogant jerk doesn't change the fact that Ortiz panicked when he made the illegal blow and fell apart almost instantly. I always said that if you foul, you foul and keep fighting, you have to because showing weakness like Ortiz did will just cost you the fight. As for the incident, look aside from busting Mayweather's mouth (watch as the cutman swabs at it afterwards) he then kisses and hugs Floyd as if a. the fight is over b. they are friends and sparring partners. Mayweather was already mad and that pissed him off more and even at that he did not retaliate. Ortiz after the ref took the point and brought them ring center to fight started hugging him with his hands down, and Mayweather, who as a consummate professional didn't want the "ceremony of apology as Merchant called it get in the way of his focus. HE ACKNOWLEDGED ORTIZ as he apologized but made the sign that he wanted to fight. Ortiz even said as much in the post fight presser. This meant Ortiz should have gotten his hands up immediately. He stepped back with hands down against a fighter who wanted to fight and it was NOT a break. Where did they say that? A break happens and the fighters are put in neutral corners to prevent this. Why were they dead ring center after the point deduction (where mayweather was already in the neutral corner)? It was fight time and Ortiz messed up. The fact is the fight was stopped and Ortiz was paraded around the ring to have a point deducted. The ref then dropped his arm and began talking to the judges. He never once declared the fight back on. Ortiz leaned in to apologize and Mayweather accepted it. Then Ortiz looked back at the ref to wait for the sign to fight. The ref is still looking at the judges. Mayweather knocks out Ortiz and the ref turns around and head no clue what happened. If the ref had called fight he would have had to have done it while he was facing the judges because he never looked at the fighters. Like I said, protect yourself at all times, but that's during the fight, NOT during breaks or stoppages.
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09-19-2011, 11:19 AM | #28 |
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It pisses me off that Big Show jobbed to him but then again, he jobs to everyone. Even so, the fact that he jobbed to an outsider sucks even more. Mayweather is so stupid that he thinks that all those gang bangers that he surrounds himself with are there for his benefit. They know a meal ticket when they see one Weather boy. Once you piss away all that money ala Tyson, you will see what a punk you really are. |
09-19-2011, 12:38 PM | #29 |
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I understand the ” protect yourself at all times” line. Problem is that is referring to fight time. It's not limited to just in the ring. Just like when Ortiz head butted Mayweather nobody said ” well you have to protect yourself at all times”. It was a dirty headbutt. As for the drug test, the problem was Paquiao agreed to the drug testing Mayweather used in all his fights. But then Mayweather wanted a new drug test given, one in which Paquiao would give blood before the fight. Manny said he would agree to the testing but wanted to give blood after the fight. Makes sense to me. Why would you give blood before a fight? That'd going to drain some of your energy. It's not like Manny can test dirty before the fight and clean after the fight. It's just another way of Floyd ducking the right but trying to look like he's trying.
After the fight Ortiz did say nothing wrong happened. That was because he got knocked out while he wasn't looking and had no clue what happened. If you watch the interviews later on (after Ortiz sees what happened) he calls Floyd out on it. The fact is the fight was stopped and Ortiz was paraded around the ring to have a point deducted. The ref then dropped his arm and began talking to the judges. He never once declared the fight back on. Ortiz leaned in to apologize and Mayweather accepted it. Then Ortiz looked back at the ref to wait for the sign to fight. The ref is still looking at the judges. Mayweather knocks out Ortiz and the ref turns around and head no clue what happened. If the ref had called fight he would have had to have done it while he was facing the judges because he never looked at the fighters. Like I said, protect yourself at all times, but that's during the fight, NOT during breaks or stoppages. He did but i meant at the after fight presser not right after the fight. The presser the fighters are ok (if they are not they rush them to hospital bypassing presser completely). For an example of what you mentioned watch Darchinyan's interview right after his KO loss to Donaire. THAT was a guy not knowing what was going on. Furthermore, as Graham Houston the journalist mentioned, and as i thought, the ref indicated time in so it was not a break (where fighters stand in neutral corners btw). Just cause Cortez said something (cause he was trying to get in touch with the guy outside the ring not cause he called a break) doesn't mean it was a break. Ortiz thought so but that is his problem. Ortiz fell apart psychologically, Houston said the same thing i did, "they are professionals and if Ortiz wants to hug again after an illegal blow etc. that is his perogative but he need not blame others for what happened." As i said, im not a fan of Cortez but only Ortiz is to blame here.
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Furthermore, as Graham Houston the journalist mentioned, and as i thought, the ref indicated time in so it was not a break (where fighters stand in neutral corners btw). Just cause Cortez said something (cause he was trying to get in touch with the guy outside the ring not cause he called a break) doesn't mean it was a break. Ortiz thought so but that is his problem. Ortiz fell apart psychologically, Houston said the same thing i did, "they are professionals and if Ortiz wants to hug again after an illegal blow etc. that is his perogative but he need not blame others for what happened." As i said, im not a fan of Cortez but only Ortiz is to blame here.
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