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05-11-2011, 02:01 PM | #921 |
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My point isn't about fairness in taxation. My point is that you are calling out the rich, but not all the rich. You are calling out the rich who have amassed and maintained their fortune through means that you deem "illegal" or otherwise "not morally correct", wether or not they are. I gave you two examples of people, both of which support the ideals that you are touting, one of whom you jumped to defend, and in those examples I sited specific instances in which they used those same less than "righteous" practices to amass and maintain their fortune. So if they attack the wealthy as not paying their fair share, and they don't, they are hypocrites. If you defend them, yet they too utilize the same shady practices that you damn others for, then you are a hypocrite. That is the point. Just admit that you dislike oil executives because they are rich, and oppose your views of society, and not because you have some deep moral problem with how they got into that position. If you can't do that, then there is no hope for you, because you are a completely irrational person.
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How is saying this is not about rich v poor social warfare? This is about criminal practices engaged in by people who are engaging in them to fill their pockets at the expense of others; which is what most crime entails. Quote:
So you've stated that you don't hate all the rich, just the "bad" rich. Those who use shady means to obtain or maintain that status. One of which JBJ qualifies as, yet I don't see you busting out your torch or pitchfork. Also, those who amass their wealth at the expense of specific people. Seeing as you mention oil companies and their transgressions, It's safe to assume you mean union members, along with the environment and indigenous peoples. However, one of the hypocrites you are defending has done just that, made money at the expense of union workers, yet you defend him.
At the end, I assume you're talking about Michael Moore. I have never defended Michael Moore, I've defended his message. I would be fine if the man never opened his fat, sloppy mouth ever again. However I think the perspective from which he makes his points are completely valid. Maybe not his conclusions about why America is violent and gun hungry, but certainly what he has said about healthcare and Wall Street. Again, if he has behaved hypocritically then he might not be the best messenger. But, then again, you've yet to tell me where you're getting these "allegations" (<- see, you actually said "allegations", so I can place it in quotations.) |
05-11-2011, 07:04 PM | #922 |
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Joseph... you quote Bill Maher in your sig, but Bill Maher is a very ugly man. Why would you quote someone so unattractive?
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05-11-2011, 08:15 PM | #923 |
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05-11-2011, 08:20 PM | #924 |
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Asshat...that is all.
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05-11-2011, 08:34 PM | #925 |
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im tired of people attacking messengers like michael moore and thinking they have somehow defeated the message.
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05-11-2011, 08:45 PM | #926 |
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our government is potentially democratic.
corporations are not. problem is our government is corrupted by monied interests in such a manor that our elections are shams between 2 parties that are both beholden those who can fund their campaigns and get them time on corporate television. the same people fund BOTH parties. how more obvious could this be? these parties shape economic policy (and deregulate) to appease the wealthiest americans. wealth uses public relations to shape the minds of america into transferring the wealth of our nation into the hands of their small group. "blame the government" is their excuse, but they know a truly democratic government controlled by an educated populace with access to relevant information would stop their orgy of excessive greed cold. there is hope for the future, but the battle is uphill.
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05-11-2011, 08:57 PM | #927 |
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and with that the thread is over. It was fun while it lasted but some people just can't seem to keep from breaking the rules.
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