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04-28-2011, 02:27 PM | #11 |
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if you have to ask, then you are a scalper
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04-28-2011, 02:31 PM | #12 |
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My definition of a scalper:
"Buying something at retail and asking more then 1.5 x retail as the sell price". Keeps it nice and simple. It gives the guy a little bit of money for his trouble. $7.99 would then be $11.98 Anyone that complains about making "just" $3.99 off a single figure is a scalper. So when I talk about a scalper it's someone making more then 1.5x over retail. Obviously that's for new items only. Things that have been out for awhile fall under different rules as those can't be "scalped" as the market sets the value for those.
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04-28-2011, 02:32 PM | #13 |
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Whats crazy is everyone still buys from them.I bet scaplers dont see any problems,they have people lining up to buy said item.I only buy from the store and Here.I know what i'm getting and don't have to worry about crazy prices.
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04-28-2011, 02:32 PM | #14 |
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Notice I said "buying at retail" If you don't buy it at retail to begin with, that changes the starting figure. But then it's up to the seller to say "I didn't buy it at retail" so the buyer knows they aren't trying to charge double. And yeah, there's a sliding scale, lol. A $300 dollar item shouldn't be sold at $450. A $150 profit is a bit much. There has to be some common sense in it. But 1.5x over retail (bought) is a good starting point.
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04-28-2011, 02:35 PM | #15 |
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anyone who doesnt sell it to you for what you think its worth (even if its less then they paid) with free shipping is classified as a scalper. there the monkey is out of the closet, feel free to bash true story, back when the SDCC destro were hot i offred a guy on the tank here my actaul cost of one plus shipping which came to like 15 bucks and he declined. he told me he refuses to pay more then 9.99 shipped and called me a scalper for asking 15. keep in mind they were retailing for 9.99 plus shipping. that was the last time i tried to "hook" someone up for a long while.
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04-28-2011, 02:49 PM | #16 |
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Let's not forget to include people who have a license to buy directly from the manufacturer because they have a digital storefront and then charge different prices for figures from the same line, same wave, same case.
When you walk into Target and are lucky enough to find a Crazy Legs, it will be the same price as the Croc Master repaint it is sitting next to on the shelf. When people on this site and others who "make a profit for the trouble" walk into a brick and mortar store like WM and find they have to pay $14.99 for each Crazy Legs and only $8.99 for the Croc Master next to it, they will comprehend why this disparity is representative of scalping. But, getting those individuals and e-tailers to understand that is practically impossible, because they are motivated by profit, not good will; which is basically the definition of scalping. |
04-28-2011, 02:53 PM | #17 |
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Everyone that sells something for more than its retail value is a scalper. Period. So almost everyone on the tank is a scalper.
How do I justify this? You can't put a threshold on what price constitutes scalping and what doesn't, because it's subjective. Talk to some people, they'll say "Well, 1.5 times the retail value is fine, but anything over is too much..." while others will say, "Any price over retail is scalping..." Also, motive is very subjective too. Some people think selling just to make a profit is bad, while others think it's sound business. Why would you sell something to lose money on it? This is why the definition of scalping has to be clear cut and not include these things. According to dictionary.com, to scalp something is "to resell (tickets, merchandise, etc.) at higher than the official rates." I interpret this as any price above retail. There's no room to be subjective here. I believe the term "scalper" is thrown around, especially on toy sites, from people who: a) feel like it is a right to get stuff at retail. b) are angry when they can't find something, and someone else sells it to another buyer who is more than willing to pay top dollar for something they consider as being "worth it." c) hypocrites. Most people have sold something at one point in their lives for more than retail. I've sold toys above retail before, and I've sold toys below retail before. It is what it is. Does that make me a scalper even though I don't specifically try to make a living off this? Does that make me a scalper if all I want to do is recoup some toy costs by taking advantage of market prices, when I KNOW that someone else in my shoes would do the exact same thing to me? IMO, yes, it makes me a scalper by the dictionary definition. Do I care? No. People have to get over it. Toys aren't water. They're not necessities. Last edited by pud333; 04-28-2011 at 03:01 PM.. |
04-28-2011, 03:03 PM | #18 |
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btw im not calling you a troll lol im just making a point.
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04-28-2011, 03:07 PM | #19 |
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I hear ya. It's a very subjective thing.
And I don't think that's so much a troll problem as a problem with the multiple ways of getting different things. Think about the different avenues we have of getting the same figure. Wal-Mart - $7.99 Target/TRU - $8.99 K-Mart - $8.99 (maybe higher) Walgreens - $12.99 BBTS - $8.99-$14.99 So it becomes an issue of good faith. Taking it on faith that both are out to help the other and not take advantage of a deal. It most cases it's pretty obvious when someone is asking an absurd amount for a figure.
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04-28-2011, 03:08 PM | #20 |
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Let's not forget to include people who have a license to buy directly from the manufacturer because they have a digital storefront and then charge different prices for figures from the same line, same wave, same case.
When you walk into Target and are lucky enough to find a Crazy Legs, it will be the same price as the Croc Master repaint it is sitting next to on the shelf. When people on this site and others who "make a profit for the trouble" walk into a brick and mortar store like WM and find they have to pay $14.99 for each Crazy Legs and only $8.99 for the Croc Master next to it, they will comprehend why this disparity is representative of scalping. But, getting those individuals and e-tailers to understand that is practically impossible, because they are motivated by profit, not good will; which is basically the definition of scalping. its simple buisness joseph I think Corey made this argument in the last scalper thread.
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